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The star of Hulu's Emmy-nominated "Living for the Dead" shares his remarkable journey from a haunted Kentucky childhood to paranormal television history. These experiences shaped Ken's 33-year career as a tarot reader and medium, where he's developed a unique philosophy: "Every single card will bring you to greatness."
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I want to dance with the mothman at the irony shop, bathed in the moonlight at the irony shop. Creep through the graveyard to the irony shop. The door's always open at the irony shop. Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, our little oddballs, the podcast where we tell you creepy, odd, weird, strange and bizarre stories from around the globe. I am sitting here with the wonderful, fantastic curator, cara Cara. How the hell are you today?
Speaker 2:Well, I am doing great and we're going to just do a short intro. I guess I could ask you how you're doing first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'll introduce myself. I'm Zach and I'm doing fantastic today, so, yes, all right, get on with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to keep it short, and you guys already know what that means. That's because we have an amazing guest that we are very excited about Zach. Who do we have with us today?
Speaker 1:Well, the voice you're going to hear in just a few seconds is one you may have heard before. He was one of the stars of Hulu's Living for the Dead, a psychic medium with over 30 years experience practicing tarot and traveling all over to do so. And somehow, when you're not doing all that, you're still finding time to do some charitable fundraising and shows and lives and TikToks. And we don't even know how you have all the time for that, but we've got the wonderful Ken Boggle here with us today. Yay, hi Ken. How the heck are you, man?
Speaker 3:oh, I'm great, just great peachy, working on my next charitable thing that I'm doing okay, okay, we'll have to get more into that.
Speaker 1:Do you want to hear about it?
Speaker 3:yeah, I do so. There's a place here in lexington because that's where I'm from kentucky, okay and uh, it's called employment solutions. It's a place for adults with intellectual disabilities to go get a job. They work there. They used to build boxes for Apple. Your Apple phones would come in a box that they would make. Oh, I love this. They made recipes. They also do things that help them live a more well-rounded life, and they have a room that Nicole Griffith runs the place. She's turned it into a spa for them to experience beauty and self-care. So I'm endeavoring to do Ken Boggle's beauty initiative making self-care and self-love accessible to everybody, regardless of who you are. You deserve to feel good about yourself. You should be able to be with people, and so I'm partnering with a couple of salons and Redken Matrix, redken Matrix, l'oreal Hopefully they don't know it yet, but they're going to participate.
Speaker 1:Well, you've said it here now, so it has to.
Speaker 2:That's amazing yeah.
Speaker 3:So I think we're going to film all that, because the journey, uh the journey for these folks at this location is just. It's a remarkable what Nicole has done for these, for these people.
Speaker 2:And I want to help participate in that I love that.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Yeah, let us know if we can try to help in any way, because that's, that's awesome.
Speaker 3:Yes, please, please do.
Speaker 1:Boggles beauties, boggles beauties. Oh, I love it. It's got a ring to it for sure it does.
Speaker 3:It's a salon of self-care, very nice I love that oh, that's so sweet.
Speaker 1:Before we get too far into it, though, I know we gave just like three sentences, but tell the listeners a little bit about yourself, in case Christ oh gosh, here we go 33 years.
Speaker 3:I've done this for 33 years. Psychic medium and a tarot card reader. I started professionally 15 years ago. I started paranormal investigating professionally 17 years ago. I own business Ken Boggle. I've made television history a couple of times. A tarot date was the first streaming or otherwise television program that ever focused on tarot as a centralized thing. Maybe you're sitting here with Lucille Ball. I'm like an obese legend.
Speaker 1:Oh shut up, stop it yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh gotcha, and anyway. So I did tarot Day for a few years that was with Nick Groff and Elizabeth Saint and Vinny Space and Cosm. And then I went back to working a day-to-day job, still doing Tarot. I do all the conventions, fairs and markets. I'm usually on the board somehow in some capacity. I like to have my nose in everybody else's business and I like to have my nose in everybody else's business and I like to also give the money that allows me to do that. So I sponsor a lot. There you go. And then I joined Living for the Dead and that was, to my knowledge, the first ever fully inclusive LGBT paranormal investigation show. That's the second time. We've made history.
Speaker 1:That's amazing I was so excited when that came out, because, as a gay man, there was always like, like you know, you'd have the one token character here or there, but to have a show that was just solely focused on queer investigators was just for me like holy shit. This is amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was the big gay scooby-doo that's so perfect yeah, and I don't know which one was scooby. I'd like to think of a slogan. I think I was a velma, the one who's like come on, guys, we've got a mystery to yeah glasses cute.
Speaker 2:You should do that for halloween this is me for halloween.
Speaker 3:I go as ken boggle every year, but anywho, yeah and uh, I think we're the first paranormal television show to ever be nominated for a daytime emmy and hell yeah, we won the american Reality Television Series Award for Outstanding Series in Our Genre and then Hulu pulled the plug and it's now gone to cult culture. There are literally people hear me out, literally people burning it to DVDs and sharing it with each other.
Speaker 1:Okay, I didn't know if I needed to ask you on or off air because I need copies. I don't know if I needed to ask you on or off air because I need, I need copies.
Speaker 3:I don't know where you would get those.
Speaker 1:Gotcha Okay. What a shame.
Speaker 2:Because you're so, for I don't think this is juicy. But I have to say that Zach rode so hard for the show and he kept telling me to watch it, watch it, watch it. And I was like okay, okay, but I am a person where I I watch the same shit. I do it for like a comfort thing, and I was like no, I'm going to watch it, I really want to, and I'd watch previews, and then I would just, I also just like never sit down and watch anything.
Speaker 3:I don't feel like I have time.
Speaker 2:And then I never watched it like a ding dong. And now it's gone and I can't find it well, count yourself um very unfortunate, because it was a gorgeous, beautiful oh, I know, zach has told me all about it and I'm very mad at myself, very, very mad.
Speaker 3:But sissy, it's very divisive. You either really loved it or you really hated it. Oh, I think I love it, and I was one of the characters that they really didn't like oh, okay, I have recently found out. Wait, why, oh kids? Let's I mean let's just get there's, like four podcasts out there that ripped me for an hour oh, let's dispel the rumors and talk crap about them.
Speaker 3:Well, the wait, yeah, okay, so I was. I'm the kind of person that I'm 100 authentic. If I'm gonna have an emotion, I'm going to have it, yeah, and if that's me being mad at you, I'm going to be mad at you.
Speaker 2:Ooh, me too.
Speaker 3:And if it's me crying, I'm going to cry and there will be snot and there will be tears.
Speaker 1:Oh, you and Kara would be best friends. We would.
Speaker 3:What are you?
Speaker 2:I'm a Capricorn, oh shit.
Speaker 3:Sorry for the language. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that I don't know.
Speaker 2:You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1:We would actually be more offended if you didn't swear yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, you got to be authentic, right.
Speaker 3:I have to be authentic, and that was my problem.
Speaker 2:I was so authentic that a lot of on outside of this, like in my purse, we would be best friends, because this is exactly like I try to be authentic and people are upset about it.
Speaker 3:Do you think I spent that much money in therapy to hide my feelings? If I need to cry to the bosom of Ross Hernandez, get the bosom ready, I'm coming for you. What better bosom to cry in? Oh, I can name us several, but this is a good one. It was there. It was there and I did it Okay.
Speaker 2:so people didn't like you for that, Mama.
Speaker 3:Kim, my sister's got a great bosom. You can get Mama Kim's bosom. She's so great she's got the best love in the world, anyway. So it was unsettling to them. And then the second episode happened and a lot of people were like, okay, now isn't a cowboy hat, that wasn't my pick, but it never happened again and nor will it ever happen.
Speaker 3:I'll never wear a cowboy hat. And then the rest of the series. You kind of see me disconnect from myself, from everything. But the group somehow grew in front of the camera, the group grew stronger in front of the camera, the group grew stronger and in front of the camera, and for me I just stopped. I really just started looking at everything. It's like this is just a paranormal investigation. I'm not here with anybody, I'm just doing my job, yeah, and I think a lot of people like me better after that. I don't know. It seems like one guy in a podcast said the more you watch, it kid grows into his own person.
Speaker 1:I'm like, really, and you're like wow, I'm so far removed from my actual self I kind of thought, though, like you, you were a good standalone, because I I thought some of the um, okay, I usually we don't get too far into the tea, right, but let's do it I thought some of them were a little bit on the playing it up for the camera, that sort of deal where you just kind of came out, almost even keeled the whole time brother, my love, I don't know what your pronouns are.
Speaker 3:I'm just gonna call you brother. In my life I'll answer to anything, damn it, okay, I will too. I will too, especially dinner. I'm like, yes, did you call my name? I thought you called my name. I thought you said dinner anyway. Um, that's what everybody says about me. But in all fact, here's how it went down. They were all presenting versions of themselves, me included.
Speaker 1:As you do when there's a camera in front of you.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, as we do with people in general let's not play we all give.
Speaker 3:Everybody gives who they want you to think they are, and that's a human thing to do. I just forgot to wrangle in my authenticity and my humanness and it upset a lot of folks. Folks, I think in front of the camera and behind, but I'm a triple aquarius and I'm an alien and I'm an iceberg and you think you're colder than me. You got the wrong one and the wrong two. I am the wrong because, like I do guys cold, like nobody's business, like uh, triple aquarius will do that.
Speaker 1:I, I'm basically a triple pisces, so I'm just head in the clouds rack. Well, you're kryptonite, you're kryptonite kryptonite water sign.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, you all break somebody's heart yeah, there might have been one or two there you go, there you go.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I have to know what Roz is like though.
Speaker 3:I thought that we were really good friends. Okay, I thought that that moment in the bathroom with me, because I was actually going through it real time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I thought to her when she said I'll be here for you, I'll never leave you, and they all kind of gathered around that. As a person with abandonment and rejection issues, I trusted it, yeah, and I thought we'd all be big friends the rest of our lives. And that's just not how that was meant to be. And her specifically. When the riots were happening I wrote her and said hey, I'm watching the news, hope you're okay. Nothing, oh man. I offered to help hook her up with a couple of comedy clubs here and sort of sort that out. She's on to bigger, better things and she's honestly comedic genius. Oh yeah, I will always say to you that Roz Hernandez is a comedic genius, but you know, water and oil is what we are.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, here's the tea. Hold on, here's the tea. Oh okay, sorry, love bug. I'm so sorry, but here you go. When I I said I wasn't going to do this, but here I am. I said Aquarius, I said when this is over, I'm going to. Whenever messages come to me.
Speaker 3:I will respond to every message, when a comment is made. I will respond to every comment, because if you think at the end of the day, you don't matter to me, you're wrong. If you watch what I do or you support what I do, I am grateful. I owe you with this ambudism, I owe you a debt of gratitude. So if the least I can do is say thank you and I hope you have a beautiful day and give you love, well then, that's my job. That's why I was made and Roz made it very clear. She was like look, I'm not like you. I don't want to talk to these people, I don't want to answer messages. And if you give anybody my phone number because I gave the clients my phone number I'm doing a wedding for Josh and Rachel and they were from an episode. I'm doing their wedding in October.
Speaker 1:That's awesome.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and like just the other day I was watching Winona Judd at the Kentucky Louisville Palace and hooked up with those gals over there. We're just hanging out having a big time in the ticket booth, yeah, so like, I'm your brother, I'm not a celebrity. I'm never going to ever say that I'm a celebrity. It's just not going to happen. And I don't have that thing. She has the I'm a celebrity. Get everybody, get me out of here thing. Gotcha okay, okay, she's a star, is what roz is. She's really a star. Funny, isn't funny. There's nobody funnier. I could, I can't, I can't even be in the room with her. She cracks me up. I could be mad as hell and life of my ass off. That's so funny I can't.
Speaker 1:I get. I'm not gonna defend because I don't know them right, but I can get it to an extent because you put me and kara in like public right, she will talk to anybody forever, all the paracons, and I'm like I need to go outside for 15 minutes and get away from the people you know, yeah, so I think the personality falls into that it is and it's hard because, even like, when I'm doing that, sometimes I'm like, okay, I'm forcing myself to do it.
Speaker 2:I might not even want to, like I don't want to talk to a bunch of people, but I'm like, kara, talk to people, it's good for you and so, like, like you said, you kind of alter yourself a little bit for everybody that you're talking with in your life and it's like if, if people run into, zach and I, we're very authentic. We are what we are on this podcast, that's what we're out in real life.
Speaker 3:But it might just be like a little bit toned down as far as like for sure, and just for the record, just to say it, everybody's entitled to handle celebrity or being on tv or radio however they feel absolutely is the healthiest version from and I'll always say this if that is your healthy version, that's you, but it is the fundamental difference between you and me.
Speaker 3:I will go down my last day. I'll be used up by my brothers and sisters because that's what I'm here to do. She's going to pass in some lovely, beautiful, pillow-filled euphoria of celebrity. That's cool.
Speaker 2:That's what you want to do, sissy? Yeah, that's what she wants Go be.
Speaker 3:Joan Crawford I'm here to be a legend, not a star.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:I love it. There we go. That's a quote right there.
Speaker 2:Because I feel always been like, okay, let's just say one day we were like famous and this could be our like only career, right, I never want it to be where I'm not talking to our listeners Like I never want that. Like if, if that happens, it's because of y'all Like I, we're, I'm in the comments, I'm talking to everybody. Like I'm DMing people Like I, I want them to know that I'm genuinely appreciative. But also, if I run into you shit like yes, let's take a picture, let's talk, let's text like let's be friends right the bit, the bit of growth we've had is because the listeners, so I mean we wouldn't be here without them.
Speaker 1:So now, they deserve some of our time right.
Speaker 3:I mean, I remember saying to them in the cast I was like we all need to be doing podcasts. You know, I don't care if they're mom and pop podcasts, I don don't care. You need to be out there. Well, I'm not going to do certain podcasts. I'm not going to. Okay, the show didn't get a lot of promotion. I wonder why Not tea, not tea, not shade. That's just the truth.
Speaker 1:That's just how it is.
Speaker 3:We had to do it ourselves, and my version of that was if you had a podcast, I used to do those. By the way, I used to do podcasts back before. They were cool and people were making money. We were in our mom's basement, I used to do podcasts, anyway. So I mean that's, I get it. And so if somebody says to me I'd like you to be on the podcast, I'm so grateful. Like right now, I'm incredibly grateful, and it's just cool.
Speaker 2:So I have a question, because wasn't it Kristen Stewart? Did she produce? What is she? What was her affiliation? She produced.
Speaker 3:She was co-creator. Executive producer, narrator.
Speaker 2:Okay, what is she?
Speaker 3:like she's exactly what you think she is.
Speaker 1:Okay, perfect.
Speaker 3:I'll say that's a little media training which I'm trying to get away from these days.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty close. I like that.
Speaker 3:But you don't know how hard it is to hang out with her and not say the words. Bella Swan.
Speaker 2:Right, that's what I would, but I'm sure she does not Right.
Speaker 3:Well, she was having a cocktail and I went up to get a cocktail and there she was and we hadn't really talked to each other okay and how many cocktails deep are you at this point?
Speaker 3:this is back when I was still drinking. So okay, but I was at work, so you were okay, a little bit tame I was tell very much. So yeah, yeah, okay, because that was right around the end when I was like I really don't want to drink and party as hard as I used to. But anyway, I go up and I get a shot with her and I said to her uh, you and I was thinking of the scene in twilight where she's like screaming in the bed and edward has left her.
Speaker 3:And, oh my god, edward and I was so pissed zach won't watch them. Oh, zach, you're missing out, love bug that I told him that taylor lautner's enough to start your fire, baby that is the ticket.
Speaker 1:Here's what we'll do. I will watch that when kara figures out how to watch Living for the Dead.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do it.
Speaker 1:That's a deal.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, okay. So I walked up to her and I said you have no idea that when I was going I didn't watch Twilight immediately, it wasn't a thing. I didn't read the books. But when I was going through my divorce I started reading the books and I say that but I have Audible I don't read unless it's a tarot card. It gets read to me. I have managers and agents that read contracts I don't read.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're like I'm not reading, I'm not doing that, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3:Ross doesn't have to talk to people. I don't have to read there you go Perfect. I don't have to do the bar and I said I. I just wanted to say that you're the first actress I've ever seen in movie history who did heartbreak the way I was having heartbreak.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:To wake up screaming and crying and wondering if you're ever going to have love again, and then not being able to breathe because you so, you so love this person who's no longer around.
Speaker 2:And she was like oh man, that's so cool I could but listen, that is, I can visually see her demeanor her everything of that with the hair behind the ear.
Speaker 3:Oh man, that's so cool. I did say, though I was like, and I did love you and spencer, oh, I never. Which was the diana doc, your bio doc?
Speaker 1:so I never did watch it, but I I remember wanting to it's stellar it's stellar.
Speaker 3:Um great work as an actress anywho, but it was. It was great. I did not say twilight, I didn't say bella swan, but I got to talk to her and we were watching what happens live with andy cohen and he asked what she was going to dress up for his halloween and she said ken boggle. That was my greatest short of meeting stevie nixon hanging out with nick fleetwood. I can't think of any other celebrity interaction Naomi Judd maybe.
Speaker 2:That is so cool though. Yeah, oh my God, I love that, okay.
Speaker 1:And also just Andy Cohen. Knowing your name he is. He's one of those people I love to hate, but he's just. I was a trash TV boy. Okay, the Real Housewives. I couldn't eat it up and just watching the way he would pit them against each other, oh God, I loved it. I respect that, Do you?
Speaker 3:want to hear the Andy Cohen story.
Speaker 1:Oh, let's go.
Speaker 3:Okay. So there I am, Okay, minding my own business. Right there I am and I'm in the hallway, right, Watch what happens live. Right, there's a real housewife running around. She's preggers, Her husband's hot, but I think he might have a drink. Them not Right, Exactly. And so, as the person in the group who's the Velma, whenever something needed to be done that was administrative, the producers would hand it to me and I would gather all the paperwork and gather everybody's pins. Make sure I had enough pins for everybody. Gather it all up, Velma. Anyway, on my and you can find it somewhere, I'm sure on my release to be filmed, I wrote my phone number in huge numbers and then circled it and underlined it and I said put this one on the top and we go to film. Watch what happens live. He sees me, I see him. I'm like, oh, it's going to happen right, Like I'm feeling this heat.
Speaker 3:And he's coming toward me and I'm fluffing my pussy bow. I was wearing a big black satin pussy bow and I'm fluffing my pussy bow. I was wearing a big black satin pussy bow and I'm fluffing my ball. I'm looking like Dr Seuss Are you kidding, it was not hot Like cat in the big gay hat. It was not a good look. Anyway, he comes toward me and I opened my arms and he opens his arms and he hugs me and I was like I whispered in his ear oh my God, I think I said. The first thing I said was oh my God, you're so hot. And then it hit me what I had said and I said oh God, fuck me, fuck me. Oh my God, I can't believe I said that. And then he stopped and he said don't worry, I would.
Speaker 1:And he's got your number now. But here's the problem.
Speaker 3:He wasn't there to hug me, he was there to take a group picture. Oh, that's amazing.
Speaker 2:But if you want to tell me you want to hit it, if you want to hit it and you want to tell me that I'm down, my god, that is the you know that's like that goes right on the tombstone.
Speaker 1:Andy cohen said he'd hit it. Yeah, you are the legend now.
Speaker 2:Oh, I am, that is perfect, that's my.
Speaker 3:there's my funeral epitaph, that's it.
Speaker 1:There we go, there we go. We've written it.
Speaker 2:All right, I think we've ran off the rails.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No, no, we love this, I love it this episode is going to be just tea time with Ken oh my God, it could be. I love it so much. I love that.
Speaker 2:Okay. So a question, um, because you do tarot, is there like a specific card that comes up, that you're just like ah shit, like if you're giving a reading and it comes up?
Speaker 3:and you're like ah, damn it, not not one. And I, to explain that to you, after 33 years of having my hands deep in tarot, I know that every single card will bring you to greatness. Every single card is just like every bad thing in life If you dig in deep and you fight with faith, concrete action and perseverance, you can't overcome anything. And so I look at the tower, I look at the devil, I look at the chariot and I immediately start from place of victory because I'm like I can help this person, like I got this person's back. And so whenever I'm doing readings in front of people which rarely happens, it's like once a month you can see me in person. Other time I'm here in the great castle. I don't leave the house unless you pay me to leave the house happily, I like it.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 3:But whenever people get red, they see the devil. They go, you know, and I always touch their arm and say don't worry, I got you. This is a card I know very well and I will sort it out and I'm going to get you through it. And then I give them my home phone number. I'm like, if you need anything, you just call me and I'm right here. Girl, you are so funny, girl. I'm going to give my life to people that's what it's about and they'll find me dead with a deck of tarot cards in my hand, but there's not a single card I dread or fear at all. Okay, no.
Speaker 2:I like that, okay. So then, this is just a question that I have. So obviously, you're leaning into the more positive of the readings, right, like you're not, you know, you're just you're being more positive, so I can only imagine that some people are seeking, though, to get a tarot reading because they're, you know, in like a dark mood or things like that, if this is making sense. So do you ever like? Are you ever like so positive that you almost like disappoint the person? Does that?
Speaker 3:make sense? No, no, no, no, good question, god, that's a good question, but no, in fact. Does that make sense? No, no, no, no, good question. God, that's a good question, but no, in fact. The first thing I do is let them know that I understand the darkness they're going through. Okay, for example, a lot of people come to me and they have alcoholism, drug addiction.
Speaker 1:And I say to them.
Speaker 3:first of all, be honest with me. Second of all, I will never judge you, Not a day in your life. Third, I did more cocaine than Stevie Nicks even dreamed about.
Speaker 1:It was a terrible time to take a drink.
Speaker 3:Listen the joke and it's in bad taste. But the joke I always made is I make Amy Winehouse look like a quitter. And so when I say to somebody, I know what you're doing and I know what you're going through and we can be honest and I can help you, or you can just live miserably. It's not that the reading itself is positive, it's that we're going to go to the depths of it. We're going to dig it up, gotcha, we're going to unsurface it, feel it, and then we're going to heal it.
Speaker 2:That's okay damn, talk about the ability to build rapport so quickly when you just yeah, because I could just see it like if I'm in a you know like a dark, like shitty mood, like when Zach's like so uppity, I'm like get the fuck away from me. So I can only imagine if I'm like I need a tarot reading and like I'm like in a dark mood and you're like this is great, like, so you tailor it. I love that.
Speaker 3:No girl, I'll cry with you, that's what it is Like and a part of my psychic talent is that I feel what you're going through, or I see it or I am you while you're experiencing. It depends on what the vision is, and more often than not it's me in a room watching it happen and I can't help but lose myself. Like I cry, not because I'm sad in that moment. I'm crying because you went through something horrible, dude, and like I'm trying to and I'm so empathic. It's unrealistic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's hard to watch so I'm kind of putting together and you basically said it word for word. Right, but your mission is just completely pouring yourself out for other people. So what came first? That mission or reading tarot?
Speaker 3:Oh, well, at the end of the day, we are our brother's keeper and that's how we were supposed to be. We do owe each other a great amount of love for the fact. It's inherent. We're supposed to, we're supposed to give to each other. It's a debt of gratitude we owe to one another as human beings, because nobody's life is easy. No matter who you, no matter where you're at, I'm, I'm, I. You need somebody to love you and I think like that was instilled in me a long, long time ago. But that's my purpose in life to be my brother's keeper. It just expresses itself as psychic medium tarot card reader, tv guy. That's it.
Speaker 1:Awesome. So how the hell do you get started in it? You know we got to ask you the same question. Everyone else does.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know it's okay, babe. I grew up in a really haunted house, okay, in a really haunted house.
Speaker 2:I think that's just like how it always starts well, the backyard had a graveyard in it.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, yeah. And the power lines crossed like uh, was this in kentucky yeah, yeah, in the mountains, in the mountains add a mountain to it? Oh, it's nothing but mountains. You know, you live in the big city. Those skyscrapers were mountains to me, like that's how I grew up. I had a pet rooster. I was like bobby hill I love that I always wanted pet chickens.
Speaker 3:Oh roosters are great. We had a chinese fighting rooster named rod stewart. Anyway, he was great. I used to walk him on a leash. I was not. I was a mess from the get-go I would do that, though.
Speaker 1:I mean, I have a leash for my bearded dragon to this day. So I can't say shit. We're the same people, babe.
Speaker 3:We're the same people so, um, any, uh, I was not sleeping because of what was happening to me at night and I went to see my granny who, uh, lived up in a hollow, what we call a holler. She lived up the holler and, uh, she said to me, basically, you look horrible, which is granny's way of saying are you okay? She's smoking. You okay, she's smoking cigarettes. She said, junior, you look like shit. And I cried and told her what was happening to me at night these spirits, they would visit me. And she was like, don't tell your daddy because he'll kill us both, but I'll show you how to deal with it. I was like, okay, yeah, she taught me how to do healing stuff. She was much better at healing than I could, but she could read the leaves falling from a tree. She could tell you what was about to happen. She was iconic.
Speaker 3:She's not with us in body, but she's with me in spirit.
Speaker 1:Paternal or maternal side. Paternal my father's mother, interesting Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, I was going to say that because she said don't tell your dad. Okay, so did your dad not? Did he have any abilities? Did he hide from them or just like shove them down, or he just didn't believe in it?
Speaker 3:I or he just didn't believe in it. I don't. I know one of the worst things you can try to do is make sense of a psychopath. I don't really know. Okay, yeah, it's a fool's errand to make sense of crazy is a fool's errand.
Speaker 2:Enough said yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't know, his mother was incredibly talented, I'll tell you that. And each one of us kids, because there's three children in which families um which we weren't, which is that's not the thing, it's just, that's a thing that people say but the kids are born in three that we're each gifted in different ways. We've shared dreams before my sisters and I, so he had to have a lick of it. He had.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, there's no, I mean yeah, more self-denial from the self-righteous.
Speaker 3:Yep, there's our interview, that's all done. Then you can just wrap that up Self-denial from the spill front. Ta-da.
Speaker 1:You've dropped some real good one-liners so far, okay. So what did the siblings get?
Speaker 3:We all have dreams. Now my sister, mary Helen has dreams. My sister Ray has dreams stronger than mine or Mary's. Mary Helen has empath abilities that blow my mind. Wow, you can't take her anywhere. You can't take her anywhere. She doesn't do well at funerals. She doesn't do well at the grocery store.
Speaker 3:Oh God, yeah, but no she's a great woman and she's incredibly empathic, intuitive. She has magic about her, though. She can make things happen. I was never really one for that. I can manifest some stuff, but Mary Helen puts me to shame. She was great.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, yeah, but the dreams and you guys have shared dreams. That's so cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, we all share the dream of a tall shadow figure all in the same night.
Speaker 2:It's not that cool. I take it back.
Speaker 3:It was a good warning that something bad was about to happen. Okay, something bad, something horrific happened after that, but we, I don't know. It was like we were born into a very gifted family. That's all there is to it.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's cool.
Speaker 1:So how do the abilities manifest for you? I know you said kind of like you're watching it, yeah. Yeah, tell us a little bit about your experience, because we've interviewed a few mediums and everyone's is so vastly different. And how it's crazy, it's wild and you know what I believe?
Speaker 3:I believe that I might be long gone before then, but they're gonna find out that this isa thing, that happened because of evolution. That psychic talent is an evolutionary trait and I'm okay, I don't know, I just feel like it happens. The frontal cortex, the frontal lobe of the brain, yeah, okay, I believe that it's there somewhere and I believe it's a muscle. Anyway, I have visions. I have a spirit guide that talks to me on the right side of my body. Anybody who doesn't belong to me comes to the left side. My brain is split like that. So if I walk into a location, I turn to the left. That means that there's somebody who I don't know who's talking to me. If I turn to the right, it means a spirit. I know a lost loved one, my spirit guide. They're talking to me and it never fails.
Speaker 3:And let's add to this, I have never been the person who just accepted the triple Aquarius. I have never accepted things face value. I've had MRI scans done. I have been checked by psychologists, psychiatrists, doctors, agencies, and they have no reason why this happens. There's no schizophrenia, there's no structural reason why my brain is just different, and I think that's true about every psychic that I know that's worth their salt. Yeah, yeah, but that's what happens. I usually am the person I'm seeing it through, or I'm in the room while it's happening, or I'm reading the cards and the cards bring me to that place where it's happening.
Speaker 2:It's really, it's like interesting that's so I would say that's so interesting. Yeah, so I have a question about your spirit guide. Have you always had the same one? Do they change? Because that's another thing that we've come across, where sometimes spirit guides like move on when they don't, when you don't need them anymore, and like you're, it's like an open door. You're always getting a new spirit guide. Is that true for you?
Speaker 3:Don't go. I would be devastated if Chris left me. Oh, she's amazing. She's amazing.
Speaker 2:And how long have you had her then?
Speaker 3:My whole life.
Speaker 2:Wow Okay.
Speaker 3:Here's what I know about spirit guides. Yeah, this is what I know. You get one. It's not like spirit guides, okay. The reason people get them confused is because lost loved ones will try to guide you in. A psychic who doesn't know the difference, or or doesn't know the difference, can be misconstrued. The two they can. They can get it. Or you have a guided, uh, a spirit guide, uh, who's so much like family that you, they mistake her or them for, uh, a lost loved one. But anyway, you have won your whole life. The only time mine ever left me was when she was explaining to me that this guy was no good for me and I wasn't listening to her and she said, fine, have him. And I didn't hear her for the rest of the week that is so funny you might be my spirit guide.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, I am trying to warn me and it turned out he was on crystal bath oh well, yeah, that'll do it.
Speaker 1:You know this is my sobriety.
Speaker 3:I can't go to that. He was so beautiful, though. He had the most bluest eyes I've ever seen and they were like these big, blue, blue crystal chris was like listen, you're blinded by this.
Speaker 3:I'm out she was like he's bad for you and I was like get off his balls. You know, this happened to him when his parents and he was a kid and she was like, no, the devil is addiction. And then I found out that he was like getting with old men to pay for his crystal meth. Oh, no girl. I went to the treatment center right after that.
Speaker 1:I was like I need tested for every of the everything, yeah, and then that's when we learn we listen to chris, then right, yeah yeah, and I, literally I said I want one of every ointment in a bag.
Speaker 3:I'm taking it out that door. I have private insurance.
Speaker 2:Let's do this oh my god, this is so fun.
Speaker 3:Oh, lord, so your spirit guide might leave you if they're tired of talking to you and you don't listen this.
Speaker 2:This makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have the name. Who is Chris?
Speaker 3:Okay, chris is not her real name. Okay, her real name I cannot pronounce for the life of me and if I try, it pulls me from my meditative psychic place into me trying to figure it out. So I just said to her typical gay, typical gay. I said to her you talked to me about my career. You want what's best for me. You're like my mom, but you're like my boss. Everything about the way I dress, everything about the way I do, the things I say yes to the things I do, no is Chris.
Speaker 3:So I said okay you remind me of Kris Jenner. Can I call you Kris?
Speaker 2:I knew you were going to say that. I knew it.
Speaker 3:She said and this is her response, and it chills down my body. She said I don't really mind what you call me, because I am spirit. I will respond to what makes you comfortable, but in life I was this amazing mother to all these beautiful indigenous children. They were all so beautiful. She showed me oh, I just got chills, yeah. And she was like so you call me what you need to call me?
Speaker 2:She said I'm just here to be your mother. Oh, I will start crying right now. I'm gonna blow my nose that's so funny, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1:I'm just hearing megan trainer in my head, you know.
Speaker 3:But what's making? What is she saying about it? What is that?
Speaker 1:she has the I'm your mother song with chris jenner in the music video oh, I'm your mother. Yes, you listen to me oh I'll send you the link come on it's like it's too, perfect because the link come on. I'm a bad gay. I'm a bad gay. Megan Trainor's, divisive though is she.
Speaker 2:I always say Zach's a bad gay. Can you be more gay, please?
Speaker 1:you know listen the more vodka sodas I have, the more lymph the wrist gay. We go out and we'll do stuff and like whatever and people just like.
Speaker 2:The more vodka sodas I have, the more lymph the wrist. Gay, yeah, it just happens. We go out and we'll do stuff and like whatever and people just like automatically just assume that we're married. And I'm like you need to be a little bit more gay, please. Not that I don't care, I mean I don't care, but like he's not a bad thing to be married to.
Speaker 3:Look he's handsome.
Speaker 2:He's funny.
Speaker 1:No is, but I'm like I mean you wouldn't want to be married to me, but but, kara, I get it.
Speaker 3:So I'm gonna need you to fem it up a little bit, babe, when you two go out you're gonna have to do something.
Speaker 1:I got you I got you listen to a little different we'll start rolling the hips a little more as I walk.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, just start screaming things like slay there we go, it's like code, I guess it should be like what I'm always calling him girl.
Speaker 2:Though, hey girl, you think people would know. They just don't.
Speaker 1:You know, for the longest time I fought that one, and that was years and years and years ago. And I'm just like, why the fuck? No, I just responded. People like everyone starts calling me now because Kara. I'm like, yep, we're rolling with it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, honestly, I don't know why I fought that one and I don't know really why I just started calling you that it's. It was weird.
Speaker 3:I just I fight it too, though I fight it oh well, sorry girl that's okay, boo. Um, I think like if we're going to be sensitive about everybody's pronouns, we're going to be sensitive about mine, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Speaker 3:Yes, granny used to say the sauce goes both ways. So I think, if we we're going to be yes, helen, helen, I think that I love it. It's just for me, it's like I am. I am so not a good gay. I didn't even decorate this apartment. I paid gays to do it.
Speaker 1:I'm there with you, though I did not get the decorating jeans. I came back from this show and all this shit was here.
Speaker 2:Oh, this show and all this shit was here oh I love it, that's amazing though. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1:I paid gays to do it. That's great. Yeah, oh, they're great, love it.
Speaker 3:We can't all get the design genes, all right now we can't, and I'm not here to do your hair and I'm not here to do your makeup, and I don't care what gender your baby is I don't care, I'll love it.
Speaker 3:I'll love it. But if you want me to sit in the hot, hot summer sissy while you pop a smoke balloon filled with pink or blue, you called the wrong one. I will bring you 20 bucks. I'll take a slice of cake and you call me when you find out what color's in your balloon. I'm not here to burn down California for your baby. I ain't doing it. And women are like why won't you come?
Speaker 3:They're just getting out of hand. And the wedding. Oh, you have to be in my wedding party, girl, I don't want to be in your wedding party. I don't even like the guy and I think he hit on me once you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like I don't want to be in your wedding party. I've actually been in a wedding where that was the case. Now I have officiated them. I'm like I'll do that, you know.
Speaker 2:No, you're done. Now I did.
Speaker 1:I did hang up. My Pope hat you did.
Speaker 3:So you're, I love officiating weddings. They're great. Oh, so much fun. Oh God, that's funny.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh God, we could just keep going. Anyway, what were you going to say, zach? I was going to say so.
Speaker 1:you've done investigating, you've done the tarot. What's the thing you like doing more that gets you out of the house? Is it the readings being with people, or is it the investigating?
Speaker 3:Oh, it's readings unless you've got a really good story. And if I come all the way to your house, your house better be haunted Like. If I'm coming to your house, girl, you know what I'm thinking Like it had better. If I'm leaving this condo, yeah, you better pots Pans need to be flying Children. There must be a priest in the background who's nervous. You know what I mean. Like I need to see these things. You know A little bit of theatrics, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I get it.
Speaker 3:I need to see things moving, yep.
Speaker 2:Yep, more than just. You had a bad dream and you think you saw somebody in the corner. I ain't coming. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had to. There was some clients who there was four generations of women that all lived together one house.
Speaker 2:That's messy Just there. That's a haunting itself.
Speaker 3:Anyway. So there was, there was this family. There was four women, the great grandmom, the grandmom no, the grandmom four of them and, um, grandmom, mom, their daughter, the baby. The baby was seeing man. The baby was seeing a man in dark clothes and a hat that was standing outside of her window asking her to let him in. Oh, now, I asked to bring the child in because I needed to see the child. I looked at the child and I was like uh-oh. I then left the convention I was at and went to their house. I drove I literally drove, and I don't drive. Oh, wow, I drove up there and I walked up and down the steps and all around the property and it was messy. So I then I have a magic friend whose name is Lady Bird, and I sent Lady Bird there and she has them all cleared up.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 3:So it's a pretty good. It's pretty good situation there now, but it was pretty ugly, that's the kind of shit I'll leave the house for.
Speaker 1:Was that like more attachment, you think? Or was it because I think and this is just maybe my sexism coming up for women of all generations like that seems right for poltergeist activity?
Speaker 2:yeah well, and it's strange. So none of them had any significant other. Like what's that? Like that's weird, what is that about?
Speaker 3:like they were all divorced dead or single interesting or four years old. The baby was only four.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I know that one.
Speaker 3:She's just out there running the streets. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like she's a lover. Yeah, she's like hey.
Speaker 3:Divorced twice. She's like girl, I'm a third husband, my third husband. I'm like yes, lily, get it.
Speaker 2:Oh funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, in my household there was, when my dad left, there was my mother and my two sisters, which I think is what amped up more of the. I don't think it's sexist, zach, I think it's a paranormal fact, okay.
Speaker 1:So don't feel bad, honey, don't feel bad, hey, that just means I was right, that's right.
Speaker 2:You were right, boo-boo we love that. Oh God Okay.
Speaker 1:What about about a reading that's just leaving you completely shaken, like any that you just-. Yeah, you needed a minute, a breather, a lie down after it made me push away from the table.
Speaker 3:Oh, what happened? Okay, it's tough. Are you ready? Here we go. Yeah, so this is back when I was reading in an office. I had an office, okay, and this lady comes in. My office is really dark. I mean, this is far too much light as it is. You know what I mean. I feel like Maggie Smith on Downton Abbey trying to block the fumes. But this lady came in, she was a little heavier, you know, and she was obviously very depressed and she just sat down and she said I'd like to talk about my mother. That's all she said. And so I deal the cards, and as I'm dealing the cards, my psychic mind kicks in, as it usually does, and I'm seeing this little pin of light and nothing but void blackness. Oh, and the pin of light just keeps coming toward me and coming toward me and coming toward me. And I'm dealing the cards and I'm trying to understand. This pin of light grows larger and larger until I see it's not a pin of light, it's actually a face.
Speaker 3:Oh that's weird, yeah. And then the face smiled at me.
Speaker 1:Ew, a good smile, or like a, I don't know, not at all.
Speaker 2:I think that's weird.
Speaker 3:Not at all. I don't care what smile it is when she's. When it's weird, not at all. I don't care what smile it is when her mother smiled, creases all over her face and her teeth were. I looked at the cards and there was the devil the seven of swords, six of coins. There's lots of things that are like.
Speaker 2:What the hell.
Speaker 3:And then it hits me. I'm the little girl. There's a man coming into my bedroom and my mother is introducing him to me. And then the money, six of coins. The money is getting handed off and now he's going to come into my bedroom. I pushed away from the table and I was like this stops Like this has to stop.
Speaker 3:And I looked at her and I said your mother was evil incarnate and she was proud of it. And the woman broke. She just started gushing. She was like what did you see? And I was telling her. She said that her mom used to sell her for drugs. When she was four, five, six years old, seven, eight, nine, ten, she was sold for rent Passed for guys guys, guys, anyway, we sit down.
Speaker 3:I got off from my side of the table. I went to her side of the table. We're crying, yeah, and we're talking through it. Sometime later I think it was like two years later she came back to see me. Did you not recognize her? She had lost a God, oh God's weight, like 80 some pounds, wow. And she said you won't recognize me. Here's who came to see you. And she gave me your driver's license and I was like holy shit, girl, this can't be you. And she was like yeah, and I was like what happened that day? Like what did you go home with, was my question. She said it was so liberating for me to talk to somebody who, who knew that who saw it?
Speaker 1:I saw it like I saw it, that's exactly what she said.
Speaker 3:You witnessed.
Speaker 1:It was the words god, add therapist to the end of all your titles too. Well, we can't legally say that, but yeah.
Speaker 3:But, it does. It can be rather therapeutic, is what I'm legally allowed to say. There we go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so has there ever been somebody that's come to you where you're like yeah, you can't do the reading, like you refused?
Speaker 3:No, but I have kicked people out before.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was at Scarefest and, mind you, this is me paying $8,000 to $10,000 to sponsor the place and I sit down at my booth, which at that point was on Star's Row before the second TV show. I paid big fucking money. Of course I need to have a good seat, are you kidding? Put me right in front of Chip Coffey, as you should. I want Chip to look me in the eyes as I'm doing these things. Look at me, he's great. I shouldn't have said that, but anyway, oh, no, no, no, we can get into some tea there, okay, good, because I'm here for it. So, anyway, the lady sat down, her daughter, who was like 35, set behind her, and the lady's trying to pull the wool over my eyes like she was some great mother and everything was great and groovy. And oh, I don't know why my kids don't like me and I've always been so giving. And I was saying to her you're not telling me the truth, this is not how it happened and the daughter's in the background going like this.
Speaker 3:You know her head shaking. She's like uh huh so finally, the lady was like you don't know what you're talking about. And that's when the fan folded and I went at it and I was like you're, I was like you're online and your mother, and if you think I'm going to take that kind of, I'm trying to really clean it up it was like a lot. And then she said you can't talk to me that way. I want to see the manager, I feel like I can.
Speaker 3:And the manager that time walked over and she said honey, that's Ken Boggle, you can't tell him what to say. And then I said would you like to talk to security? And she said, yeah, no-transcript, adam, can you come here please? I said this lady would like me removed, adam, and he was like ma'am, get your bags. Kid says you got to go. You can't stop Kid Boggle from telling you about yourself and the daughter on the way out. She touched my hand and she was like thank you so much.
Speaker 3:She said my mother was just keeping up appearances, and she was always that way and we were all gaslit and I was like I know you were. We're all gas lit and I was like I know you were. I said your mother's a raging bitch and I don't want any part of that. But before she left I held my hand down. I said that'll be $80. Oh perfect, did she pay? I made her pay me. Yeah, good.
Speaker 2:Pay me and get the hell out.
Speaker 1:Hopefully maybe her eyes opened later.
Speaker 2:I love that Probably not.
Speaker 3:I will say that the place got quiet when it was all over. Everybody was looking at me and I just said, what was I'm wrong? And everybody was like no, of course. Not ken, of course. They were afraid or I was right. One of the two is right.
Speaker 2:Well, they're like I don't want to get kicked out, I want to be the next not me. Oh god, that's so good.
Speaker 1:I love it nobody would say anything when his brother is standing right behind right yeah, yeah adam.
Speaker 3:adam is a big old boy too. He'll roll you out that place. Like you can't mess with my security guy Adam's great.
Speaker 2:Oh God, that is so fun yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. So I got to know, were we sitting directly across from Chip? Because we wanted to make eyes with him, because we wanted to stare into his solar? Because you were contemplating buying a $20 signed photo, because I guess that's the going rate.
Speaker 2:You might be more.
Speaker 3:Well, here's the reality Anytime you charge people to help them in an absurd amount of money. I paid him $300. Sorry, it was on sale. $237 for 30 minutes of his time.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God.
Speaker 3:I only charge $60 for 30 minutes and I'm Emmy nominated. Where's your Emmy Chip? Where's your nominee? No, sissy, where's the nom? Did you even get nom? Did you get a nom, though? No, you didn't. Anyway, my point is this he treats people like they are expendable. He's disrespectful to them, and the more we'll get hold of it Boggle, no, fuck it, here we go. I think that the more ego you bring to yourself, the more you disgust.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:And I. Last time I saw him, a person told me he was having some health issues, which we all know to be true now, and I was trying to be nice to him we're talking about Betty Davis and Joan Crawford, I'm the Betty and we would, you know and I said to him I heard about your health, If there's anything I can do to help you, I was trying to bridge a gap.
Speaker 1:And he was like what do?
Speaker 3:you know about it, don't open your mouth. And he said my friend who told you I'm going to go sort him out too, and I was like you really are a rancid cunt, is what I said. I was like you really are.
Speaker 1:So how did your psychic mediums have a fight? Is it verbally, or do you just?
Speaker 3:like send messages back and forth. I think we. I honestly. I think there's times that he has mentally thrown me down an escalator and I think there's times that I've held him underwater until the bubble stopped.
Speaker 2:All right, yeah, so I've. We don't have a lot of say in this as far as like actually knowing him, but when we've come across him and we've like been in the same vicinity as him and just watched the way he walks around like he's like a god and people just like follow suit, that part, I don't know what it is it gives me the biggest ick. It disgusts me and I would never, I wouldn't even really care to have a conversation with him just because of that. You know what I mean, and we've run across so many people so many that we thought would be like that.
Speaker 1:Who are the exact?
Speaker 2:opposite and they're just so kind, yeah, yeah, and like really loving and caring, and will just like let you talk to them for hours, like, um, yeah, like they're just like a regular person, because you are the thing let's talk about. Let for hours Like, um, like they're just like a regular person, cause you are the thing let's talk about.
Speaker 3:Let's take opinion out of it, cause like she's not here to defend herself, right, true? So let's take opinion out of it. Let's talk about fact I was involved in the first major LGBT forward paranormal television show ever.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:You said nothing to support it. That is wild actually I count one book that I paid him to autograph. There is a picture I paid him to autograph. I paid for that appointment and he couldn't even pay me a compliment. You couldn't even message me. That actually so we take opinion out of it.
Speaker 2:That speaks everything you need to. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:That's the fact. That's the fact Speaks volumes, right there 100.
Speaker 3:Well, you know they always say, oh, I'm gonna read you for filth because the library is open. I said, sis, I will eat you alive because the buffet is open. You know what I mean. Like I'm a buffet and, believe me, I got receipts for everything. I got receipts, son, but I thought it was really shady that he and other lg, lgbt, paranormal stars didn't come up and say something positive about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you, that's yeah. I don't even care what way you spin that, that's just really terrible, because that's a community that you should be proud of and vouching for. And you know, even if you were just like, yeah, it's a really cool thing like you, that is really strange.
Speaker 3:He was a pioneer for the LGBT in paranormal television, true Years ago. Right, right Big fancy chip Him and Lorraine Warren and that kilt that I almost could kill somebody. I'd love to touch it Like I want that kilt, but anyway, she always wore that Scottish dress.
Speaker 1:She was, was fat.
Speaker 3:yeah, I don't know if I trust her anymore, because I've read some stuff, but I liked her dress anyway, um, I think she's one of those ones.
Speaker 3:We have to respect both of them for what they did for the field, exactly. I totally agree. There you go, there you go. That's me now. He, he was a pioneer and I would think as a pioneer, you'd look at the next one coming and you would say good job, babe. Yeah, you, you're carrying a torch. That I started and you know, I think you know me well enough in the last 30 minutes. We've been together for an hour. We've been together. I'm going to say to you, I'm giving you your flowers, I'm going to give you your props, because you, I owe you a debt of gratitude and if he had done that, if he had done that, I would have, I would have been so kind to him and I would have been so grateful to him, but he didn't.
Speaker 2:This just reminds me and I think it was what was the last Paracon 23-4? Michigan Paracon.
Speaker 1:Oh God, I don't remember the number now. It was the last Michigan Paracon.
Speaker 2:So we're watching and it's a panel and it's escaping my mind. The only one that I can think of is Becky Ann Galentine was on the panel.
Speaker 1:Tim Shaw.
Speaker 2:Tim Shaw was interviewing and he said you guys are the next generation Like. I'm so excited for you. You guys are the next collectors Like you have all like, and he was just giving them so much props.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he's like I've been doing.
Speaker 2:thank you, he's like I've been doing it for so long and like we're so excited to have the next generation do what we're doing that's how it could have been amen, or should have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I will tell you, though, that adam barry actually said hello to me the other day we were in chicago and he actually came out of his way off of a booth, like, and walked down some steps and hugged me. I was like, girl, I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 2:Zach would melt.
Speaker 1:I've growled at him.
Speaker 2:I would say do you want to tell him your Adam Barry story?
Speaker 1:It took me two years to get up the courage and I went to say hello to him. I was coming out of the bathroom, wasn't expecting it. He goes hey, how's it going? I went hey, how's it going. Then, then, my next interaction yeah, he comes around the corners. I'm standing up and I forget that my phone's on my lap. So I stood up to stretch and I threw my phone right in front of him so he comes running though, and he's like to denise, mama denise.
Speaker 2:And he's like, oh my god, I just embarrassed myself in front of adam barry, like what did you do? He's like I growled at him. She will not let him live this down to this. It is the funniest shit that has ever happened.
Speaker 3:I love that. I love that. Well now, I don't know if you remember, but he put out a half nudie picture of him on a beach with some driftwood once on Instagram. I did not know about this. Oh, you need a deep dive.
Speaker 2:I was just like. We need to find that.
Speaker 3:I was saying to my manager Lindsay, who's also his agent we share agents.
Speaker 3:And so does Mrs Coffee. But I was saying to her I was like you know what? I'm really bummed out, that Adam and I don't get along as well as I'd like Because I think he's so beautiful. And we were just talking about it and that night he invited me to participate in paranormal Pictionary. I was like are we turning a bridge here? Like are we building gaps? You know what I mean? Like is this happening? And then I got up to do my part and I was shaking Cause, like yeah, I was supposed to draw a ghost orgy.
Speaker 2:Oh well, didn't we? We watched that, or not yours, but didn't he do that when we were one year?
Speaker 3:I think so.
Speaker 2:It's his thing, yeah, yeah yeah, we watched it, it was funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So I was nervous and I just said I said, adam, I can't do that, like I can't draw ghost orgy. And he leaned in away from the microphone and he said to me, take a deep breath, it's just fun. Nobody's going to be mad at you, girl, it's okay. That's so sweet. And I mean, I got the vapors. I got the vapors.
Speaker 3:I was like, oh, I had to go home to the and throw cold water in my face. He's so pretty he is, and when he really is in the moment with you, he's a pretty decent character and I've judged him for a long time, but I should I can see that we all have our back bodies absolutely oh
Speaker 2:man this is so funny we need to title this like not spilling coffee c-o-f-f-e-y.
Speaker 3:Yeah or not?
Speaker 2:maybe it should be not spilling tea but coffee. There we go, subtle little digs.
Speaker 1:We're not above pattiness here. Yeah, I hear shots fired, yeah, yeah we're listen, we're not.
Speaker 2:we're normally not like this, so we can do it every once in a while.
Speaker 3:I mean I think we've not said anything that wasn't based in truth, and that's the big part. You know what I mean there we go Exactly.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, well, I don't even. What else did we have to?
Speaker 1:I boring questions. We told you we'd take about an hour of your time. Here's the question I have.
Speaker 2:We are coming to Kentucky in like a month, august.
Speaker 1:Where do we need to go? We're coming for Haunters Against Hate, which?
Speaker 3:is ran by my friend. My friend does that.
Speaker 2:Are you going to be there?
Speaker 3:Oh really I don't know anything about it. What are you talking about? I don't know what you mean Girl.
Speaker 2:You have to be there, okay.
Speaker 3:Give me the details and let me call him and see what I can do about that Was that here in. Lexington, or was that Louisville? Where is that? Louisville, louisville, louisville, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we're the oh wow. I just like mental break. We're going, we're only there.
Speaker 1:Friday yeah. Friday through Sunday yeah, so we're not there for a lot we're obviously doing waverly.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, okay that's already booked that we're doing that on friday night you gotta go to birdie advise yeah please do um.
Speaker 3:It is a bar antique mall, can't you just die? Okay, no, the last time, though, that me and antiques and drinks were.
Speaker 1:I ended up shipping chairs from Arizona to Michigan. I don't know if that's the best place for me.
Speaker 3:They'll ship it. That's from Living for the Dead. Bertie and Viles was the bar that we would meet at.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes yes, oh we have to go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then you've got to get some Louisville drag. You've got to see Louisville drag.
Speaker 2:Maybe we could do that like.
Speaker 3:Sunday morning you talk about the most untapped artistic, artistic drag. Lexington is really, really, really popular. They've got some great queens, but Louisville, okay, hard to beat it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, we'll have to send you the details for that, because you should go, please do.
Speaker 3:And we might have dinner or something or go have a drink. Well, I'll have a diet coke, but yeah there we go.
Speaker 1:That's still a drink, we're so down.
Speaker 3:Can you imagine the kind of trouble I was talking about getting you into if I don't drink like get some bad shit like we could be into this you could still get me into some real bad shit okay sis, I'm here for that because that you almost have the upper hand there, because if we're having a drink and you're the sober one
Speaker 2:it's a lot easier to talk us into the shit listening to ken following him like a little duckling.
Speaker 3:Okay, let's go and all you gotta say is it's me, it's ken from kentucky, and they're all right yeah, come on in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hold my beer amazing is there anything else that you want to share with us, or?
Speaker 3:yeah, I really would um and I hate to be the person to.
Speaker 3:No, I don't hate to be the person to be this man. I'm proud of myself. If you're not speaking about the issues of today, the political issues of today, you're part of the problem. 100% so bad you can go straight to hell. I think that it's sad that so many people have such a small platform that they think is so outrageous and they're so afraid of losing it. If you don't lose your platform for the sake of your brothers and sisters, your platform is based in bullshit and it's about damn time that we all stood up and said we've had enough Absent-fuck. We've got to take care of each other and we've got to bring an end to what's happening.
Speaker 2:We do.
Speaker 3:And whether it's a protest or whether we're posting, or whether we're getting between a family and certain agencies that are there to break families up. Whatever we've got to do at the time, the gloves have to come off, and if you're supporting people who aren't saying anything about it, I encourage you to question that. Why are you not being responsive? It's vital for all of us to stand up and say that what's happening right now is wrong. Having a place that's affectionately known as Alligator Alcatraz is an abomination to God and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, it's disgusting, it's so maddening.
Speaker 3:I just want to wrap up in a positive note and say Donald Trump can fuck the whole way off.
Speaker 2:Yes, open a positive note and say Donald Trump can fuck the whole way off.
Speaker 3:Yes, baby, and he can take that bottom bitch fence with him. And if they want me, they know where to find me. I'm more than happy to put them in their place. He wouldn't sit down with a tarot card reading with me, donald Trump. I would sort him out.
Speaker 2:I need to sit down with a tarot card reading with you. I'd love that.
Speaker 3:But also, that being said, but also that being said, please, you know, if you follow me, follow at Ken Boggle. There's no underscores, no special characters at Ken Boggle. Just go to Ken Boggle, k-e-n-b-o-g-g-l-e and com and there I am. So just come find me and let's spend some time together.
Speaker 2:I love it. Yeah Well, thank you so much. This was such a fun conversation. This is not what I expected, and let me just tell you where I'm gonna leave with this, zach and I had some pretty bad day. We had a bad day like aside from this, obviously, but this just wait, we had a bad day aside from this just made it worse this brought us back to life.
Speaker 2:Let me just tell you, oh my god, because before this we call each other and we're like all, all right, this is going to be fun, like, get in the mood. Like you know, you had to pep talk ourselves, we did, but guess what? That didn't even take long because you, just you made my night.
Speaker 3:Well, that's. That's a huge compliment to me.
Speaker 2:And I'm really we understand, we get it.
Speaker 3:Kara Zach has my phone number. You all feel free to use it. Let's meet and do something in Louisville, yeah.
Speaker 2:Let's let's figure that out, Cause I think that'll be a lot of fun. Okay, cool, All right.
Speaker 1:So we always ask ask our guests to leave an emoji If they made it this far, or what emoji they want listeners to leave.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm sorry. So what emoji do you want them to leave?
Speaker 3:The crystal ball. Okay, love it, perfect Crystal ball. Has anybody else said that before? Because?
Speaker 1:I don't want to be like anybody else.
Speaker 3:No, yes, of course.
Speaker 1:We've had other mediums on. I'm kind of surprised you're the first one to claim that one.
Speaker 2:I don't even know, but no one's ever done the crystal ball, so I love it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thank you, babe. Well, I think this is this is well, hold on.
Speaker 2:This is fun. So I have a call to action because I think ken would come back, but I think it would be fun. This was such a juicy episode. What juicy questions could maybe our listeners ask you? So if you guys have juicy questions, dm us and then we can get you back to answer some juicy questions.
Speaker 3:don't worry, I will be honest too. That's my downfall, I know.
Speaker 2:I love it All right. Thank you guys so much for listening. Thank you, ken, so much for being here. The most important thing that you guys can do for us is to creep a reel my little oddballs.
Speaker 1:Goodbye, bye. You got to throw us. Good goodbye Ken. Oh bye y'all. You got to throw us. Good goodbye Ken, oh bye y'all. Perfect, at the RE Shop. We'll clean the shadows At the RE Shop and hope with the eyeballs At the RE Shop. The door's always open At the RE Shop.
