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LHC Particle Accelerator: ConCERNing Physics and Occult Practices
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your Curator Zach is deep diving in CERN, Particle Physics, and Conspiracies!
What happens when the brightest scientific minds on Earth build a machine that can tear apart the very fabric of reality. The scientific achievements of CERN and the Large Hadron Collider are undeniable. But, as we delve deeper into this world of quantum strangeness, we discover unsettling questions
Why does a statue of Shiva —the Hindu deity of cosmic creation and destruction—stand prominently at CERN's headquarters? What explains the disturbing ritual sacrifice video filmed on their premises in 2016? And could there be a connection between the activation of this godlike machine in 2008 and the emergence of the Mandela Effect in 2009?
When CERN's own scientists make cryptic statements like "out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it," should we dismiss it as metaphor, or take it as confirmation they're aware of what they're unleashing?
References:
- https://www.iflscience.com/conspiracy-theorists-think-cern-has-wild-plans-for-2024s-solar-eclipse-73694
- https://www.home.cern/science/accelerators/large-hadron-collider
- https://www.bbc.com/news/in-pictures-36428799
- https://mythdetector.com/en/does-cern-seeks-to-open-the-gates-of-hell-and-what-role-does-hindu-god-shiva-play-in-science/
- https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/wuolos/where_does_the_idea_that_cern_is_demonic_come_from/
- https://www.theregister.com/2009/11/06/lhc_dimensional_portals/
- https://www.theguardian.com/scienc
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Speaker 2:Welcome back to the Oddity Shop Podcast, the podcast where we Tell creepy, odd, weird, strange and bizarre stories from around the world.
Speaker 1:I'm your curator, cara, and this is your curator zachary. Hi, that's me, if you're new here, if you're not new here, then you know who we are idiots sorry straight idiots uh, how are you?
Speaker 2:I am surviving and recovering from a flesh wound, another one, another one, but this one didn't make me pass out because, instead of the wound, being like Well, okay, here's the thing I figured out, because this one didn't even freak me out, even though it bled a lot again.
Speaker 1:I was kind of surprised when you texted me and you didn't really. That's why I didn't say anything.
Speaker 2:I put something together yesterday, okay. So this one I sliced off the skin like a thick layer of skin on the very tip of my finger. Yeah, it's nasty. The slice went across right Like it shaved it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:yeah, it wasn't like a stab or a slash, it's the slashing motion. I think that gets to me.
Speaker 1:That gets you. Yeah, because when you told me that you cut your finger, I was like I'm'm not gonna ask how you're doing about it and you didn't say anything. And then I was like okay.
Speaker 2:And then you were like I'm just gonna cover it with band-aids I was in full on so I did like a two-hour deep clean of the bathroom, like the bleach and everything like it's also like cleaning product.
Speaker 1:How did you cut it again?
Speaker 2:I have, um, I use a safety razor to shave, yeah, so, like the like the old fashioned razors, and it's on a stand that it slides into. While I was like dusting stuff on that shelf, I knocked it. It fell off and I reached out to catch it. Yep, luckily it was just the tip of my finger.
Speaker 1:I'm surprised that by trying to catch it, well, I guess, yeah, well, because so when you use it at an angle.
Speaker 2:I caught it straight on very quickly. It could have been a lot worse. At least it wasn't like the middle of my hand. But yeah, so I do clean the bathroom. I also I don't know if you can see the new thing on my altar I don't think I've told you about this little floral arrangement that I bought.
Speaker 1:I don't believe you have.
Speaker 2:So it's a little rose and it's all pretty with some flowers.
Speaker 1:I bought this, though, at a Grand Rapids Pride Festival. Is it a floral arrangement with pretty flowers?
Speaker 2:Yes, in a popper's bottle. Oh God, that's funny. Which I thought was hilarious this guy had all sorts of these in different popper bottles $20.
Speaker 1:That's kind of a lot All sorts of these.
Speaker 2:How much was that In different popper bottles? 20 bucks, that's kind of a lot. Also, they made a donation of 30% of it to the Trevor Project.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, never mind, it should have been more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it was good cause it was a cute little local vendor and I just thought it was hilarious because you don't see that kind of shit everywhere. No, that's funny.
Speaker 1:All it everywhere. No, that's funny, so all right, cute. Um, I have nothing really new except for yesterday it was pouring rain out. Yes, it was, and I cannot go sit like my deck's not covered, but my porch is like an enclosed. What do you call it like an enclosed porch?
Speaker 2:I don't know it has like a built in porch over it.
Speaker 1:Yeah so I can sit out on my porch and I don't get wet. So last night until almost 10 o'clock I was just out on the porch with my laptop't get wet. So last night until almost 10 o'clock I was just out on the porch with my laptop and all my stuff, just doing all of our socials and just doing stuff, and it was so nice and peaceful. I probably looked crazy though, but it was nice and peaceful. And then I met a little frog. He just jumped right out of nowhere and then I was talking to the frog. I forgot to send you a picture. I send it to you. He's cute little hands.
Speaker 1:I know, oh god, I know, can you get one? I used to have frogs well, you don't have them now and I need them now. So then, my bird, you know my little bird, my fern bird, susie q. She just kept popping up and tweeting at me. It was just like so nice, it was very snow white yours.
Speaker 2:you're doing better than me. We had a cardinal trapped in our porch this week, oh yeah, and that little baby was not happy. So the thing was it came in the door on the side, but it could see its nest out the front window.
Speaker 1:And it kept dashing into the. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:How did you end up getting it?
Speaker 1:out.
Speaker 2:Julia ended up kind of coaxing it with a towel.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:So, but we do Now. I know it's chirp, though, so I can hear it from my bedroom window I mean, at least it got out and it's okay, true very true, I know. Would you name her? I don't think we did, oh I'm so surprised yeah, no, usually julia does name some of the the local critters. She probably did. I'll ask her fair, fair enough.
Speaker 1:All right, let's get going. Boo boo, all right, you ready to open the shop? Up then with a question. You're opening the shop. Are you ready? All right, you ready to open the shop? Up then with a question, you're opening the shop up.
Speaker 2:Are you ready for your question, so I can open the shop.
Speaker 1:Did you not see my face? I was like wait, I already went. It's not my episode, we're just starting with a question. What's my question? Are you?
Speaker 2:ready. What's my question? What causes Mandela effects?
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, well, well, well, how do I articulate this? It's basically just we're getting fucked up, whether it's like the government fucking us up, aliens fucking us up, but like we. The timelines are not right. The years are shorter, the months are shorter, the weeks are shorter. Something's fucked up and it's erasing patches of time okay, or it's moving patches of time somewhere else you don't think it's just faulty memory. No fucking way, don't even get me started. You're pissing me off already.
Speaker 2:Well, good, we're already on the same side of this one. This is not an episode, though, entirely about Mandela effects. I promise you that, thankfully, deep underground, beneath the peaceful countryside of Switzerland and France, there's a machine larger than any known machine in our human lifetime, and it is smashing atoms, together with the force of cosmic creation, on an official quest to unlock the secrets of the universe. But some believe it's doing something might be, or maybe, darker like opening portals, summoning ancient forces or even bending reality itself. And tonight we're heading straight, first, straight, first, straight forward. We're running right into, just like the atoms inside the machine, cern's Large Hadron Collider. Have you heard of this machine?
Speaker 1:I don't think so. No, well, maybe just not by that name. I don't know. Do they just call it Surge? Maybe just not by that name, I don't know, sir, do they just call it surge? Cern C-E-R-N.
Speaker 2:Yep, I don't know. So they have this giant machine under Switzerland that is smashing atoms together like beyond the speed of light to discover. Oh, ok, I'm just gonna stop talking because you're going to learn as we go. I don't know why I'm getting ahead of myself.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm excited.
Speaker 2:CERN stands for the council. No, this is French Conceal European pour la recherche nucléaire. Murdered that, absolutely. I can't do French, but in English it's the European union for nuclear research and it's located in geneva. So when we're talking nuclear research, we're not talking bomb, we're talking like be below atoms, right the nuclear physicist, like particles.
Speaker 2:okay, according to wikipedia, it is an intergovernmental I'm here, okay, carrie an intergovernmental organization that operates the largest particle physics laboratory in the world.
Speaker 2:Established in 1954, it's comprised of 24 member states from europe and in 2013, they admitted israel as well uh, the only non-european which probably a touchy subject right now. Um, but cern's main function is to provide the particle accelerator machine, which is the other name for the large hadron collider, which you may have heard of, okay, yeah, or other infrastructure needed for high energy physics. Consequently, they've done like a ton of experiments at cern and other, their international like laboratories, but at their headquarters on site is where the large hadron collider is at CERN and other, their international laboratories, but at their headquarters on site is where the Large Hadron Collider is. We're going to call it the LHC for the rest of this, because I can only say that so many times LHC. And that's the particle accelerator. It's the world's largest and it hosts a large computing facility, the machine itself and it's primarily used to store, carry out and analyze all sorts of experiments and simulate cosmic events. Okay, to put that like really yeah, I see your eyes.
Speaker 2:To put it really easy to understand it's a giant research center focused on physics has some really big findings that have reshaped how we look at nuclear physics and how we understand the world and how we got here and things at a subatomic level.
Speaker 1:So I'm sorry, did you say when this started?
Speaker 2:Yes, 1954 CERN. Ok, CERN is the organization that has the LHC.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so thank you.
Speaker 2:Here's some of this, like their key findings. So the Higgs boson that was discovered using the LHC in 2012. It is the particle that gives other elementary particles mass. They kind of called it the God particle.
Speaker 2:It was something that was only theorized for a long time and was a huge finding when they proved it Interesting Okay, in 83, they also discovered the W and B bosons. It Interesting, okay. In 83, they also discovered the W and B basons. These particles mediate weak nuclear force and that, like physics beyond me, they were a big discovery. In 1973, they were able to prove weak neutral currents, which showed a close similarity between weak and electromagnetic interactions and a major understep in just understanding, like fundamental forces of the universe. 1995 they discovered anti-hydrogen um, which is a type of antimatter. They basically have created our standard model of particle physics and then alternatively also cern. In 1989 um under the direction of tim Berners-Lee, invented the World Wide Web.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, I'm just like trying to comprehend everything you just told me.
Speaker 2:These are the people who are doing this science to figure out how things work beyond the naked eye.
Speaker 1:I've heard of CERN when you break it down, because I think people just call it cern because it's definitely easier, but um, I don't, yeah, okay okay, the lhc, right?
Speaker 2:that's basically the most famous machine at cern that's doing all the experiments. Okay, so it's the particle accelerator. It was built by cern between 1998 and 2008. Over,000 scientists work on it, hundreds of universities are involved, over 100 countries. It's in a tunnel that is 17 miles in circumference and as deep as 175 meters, or almost 600 feet, beneath the French and Swiss border, near Geneva. Think about that 17 miles circumference.
Speaker 1:I was going to ask you how big it is. That's not what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:This thing is absolutely massive. It's the biggest machine built by man Dang so and what they do is they use massive magnets to just smash atoms into each other. Sounds super safe, right.
Speaker 1:But also it just sounds crazy, like to me, like you're just smashing things into each other. What is that doing?
Speaker 2:So here we just smashing things into each other. What is that doing so? But clearly it's doing a lot. The collider has four crossing points where accelerated particles collide, nine detectors in each designed to detect different phenomena and their position specifically around the crossing point. So what they do is they take beam proton beams, but it can also accelerate beams of heavy ions like lead and protons, and like smashes them together to understand what happens when the atoms break apart and what the subatomic features do when they collide. Okay, so they basically have physicists who are giving predictions and testing theories on particle physics and they're like this kind of like. The subatomic physics to me is just like playing around as god, like I feel like there's certain fundamental building bricks that like we can theorize about, but it's a whole different thing to play with these things yeah, or like should we be playing with these things?
Speaker 2:which is what we're going to talk about a bit, but so it's generally accepted purchase right. It's furthering scientific understanding, answering deep questions about matter, energy, time in the universe. There's the most easy way I can say it. But with many things in science and nature, when things are harder for the normal person to understand and we're playing with the building blocks of existence itself, there's definitely a mysterious conspiracy, shadowy reputation to this place. Yikes like. I mean. This is a perfect place to really breed fear and how many people have died there?
Speaker 2:um, do you go over that? None that I know of. However, there is actually and I don't think I have this in here, but this is just a fun fact I know there is a guy who stuck his head into the machine when it got turned on and he got hit with a beam through the head. Massive amounts of radiation should have killed him and he actually survives.
Speaker 1:Why did he stick his head in there?
Speaker 2:He didn't think the machine was on. He was supposed to be working on it.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:I think they turned it on when he was in there or something like that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, he's one of the they. There's no explanation for how he should have survived.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, that's, that's fucked up okay, not only is this a place that perfectly breeds these things just by what they're doing, their own branding and art choice and um names of experiments makes them like it takes it from being unintentionally creepy to like actually straight up strange. So I want to talk to you about the conspiracies, but let's talk about why these conspiracies even exist first. Okay, okay, let's start with, uh, the god Shiva. Okay, mm-hmm. So this is what usually give people a strange feeling about CERN being up to some secretive or ritualistic stuff, because the god Shiva is basically their mascot. Oh, so on June 18th 2004, they unveiled their new statue at its headquarters, a two-meter tall statue of the Indian god. I like needle better.
Speaker 2:Gift from the Indian government you would carry If you know. You know. So this statue, though. It depicts the deity in its Nataraja form, or the cosmic dance, which is supposed to symbolize what they're doing with the particles colliding and transforming. In Hinduism, it's important to note that Shiva, one of the most important deities, is known as the destroyer and the creator of the universe. Little bit, little bit on the nose.
Speaker 1:But whatever.
Speaker 2:Oh no, go on.
Speaker 1:I'm just like thinking Just continue.
Speaker 2:Okay, you just keep thinking. So I I mean, I think it's a little bit weird. I I get, and I think what you're gonna start to go at is they are doing work on physics and the building blocks, the universe, so it makes sense they have the creator and the destroyer. But like kind of they're also doing things to literally replicate.
Speaker 1:Replicate rep here's what's happening the timelines are getting fucked up and our brains are not working because we're talking about this replicate you hinted about it last week's episode and my brain got all discombobulated. And now I can't talk and now you can't talk, you're fucking with us so replicate and create literal black holes, dude so the statue could be in reverence to these people trying to play god and mess with things that they shouldn't do.
Speaker 2:I mean it just oh, you had a well no, I just, I just don't, I just don't, I don't know so, according to their website, the Shiva statue was a gift from India to celebrate its association with CERN, which started in the 1960s and remains strong today. So the Lord Shiva practiced the Nataraja dance, which also symbolizes not only creation and destruction, but Shakti, or life force. So the deity was chosen by the Indian government because of a metaphor that was drawn between the cosmic dance of the Nataraja and the modern study of the cosmic dance of subatomic particles. That's how they explain it.
Speaker 1:I'm surprised, though, that they let them use her as their representation.
Speaker 2:They gifted it.
Speaker 1:I know, I don't know why I'm surprised about that.
Speaker 2:So they're not part of CERN, but they've worked very closely with. I think it was a symbol of respect.
Speaker 1:OK.
Speaker 2:But others are like hey, you know, this is like proof that they're doing dark universe manipulating tactics.
Speaker 1:Well, right, but also, like you know, like, when you think of like other cultures and like their gods and goddesses, they're so sacred like you can can't even talk, like they don't even let people outside like talk about them, like they're just so sacred and so like important that it's just like I don't know. It's weird to me that they would.
Speaker 2:Hinduism might be a little bit different, though. I'm sure I feel like they're very they want to share about it.
Speaker 2:They want to share their. Yeah, I mean, there's multiple deities and like it's a to have a symbol of it is kind of like an honor, okay. So that's like one reason why we have conspiracies. The other is just researching into the great unknown. Right. So they push physics and science. They've been creating and observing things like anti-matter dark matter, dark energy, many black holes, which I think is like a little bit alarming as a person who doesn't fully understand it. But I would rather us understand it than trying to create something we don't truly understand.
Speaker 1:Do you, or maybe you get into this what was like their first? What was the reason that they first built this or came together?
Speaker 2:Was there like Just learn about the subatomic particles.
Speaker 2:That was just it Okay, okay so a lot of it was only theory. Physicists were only able to theorize. You know, beyond proton, neutron, electron, what are the parts that make up those atoms, right, and why do they act the way they do? Because we have things like have you ever heard of the double slit experiment, where atoms act differently? It's proven that they act differently when they're observed rather than when they're not. This is the stuff it's trying to answer. Okay, back to the great unknown stuff, though they're not helping with the way they name these experiments, so let's go through some. Yeah, see Alice, a large ion collider experiment, but some connect it to Alice in Wonderland, interpreting it for the metaphor of going down the rabbit hole right, alternate realities we have Atlas, named after the Greek titan who held up the sky. Some see this as symbolic of humans challenging divine authority or holding up the heaven.
Speaker 1:I could see that Okay.
Speaker 2:Then we have Methuselah massive timing hodoscope for ultra-stable neutral. I could see that Okay. Then we have Methuselah Massive timing hodoscope for ultra-stable neutral particles, but the name obviously represents Methuselah, a biblical figure said to have lived for 969 years and prompts theories about time and mortality or manipulating the fabric of existence. We have experiment totem, total, elastic, ancestral connotations right, leading to speculation about like occult or ancient practices, right. My favorite one I feel like this is the most Star Trek-y one. We have Phaser.
Speaker 1:Phaser.
Speaker 2:For word. It's the A in word. I don't know, is the A in Phaser Search experiment the R in experiment? Like they're stretching for this one.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say this one. The rest all kind of lined up, but what?
Speaker 2:They think this is like hidden military tech or like exotic intense energy manipulation. The third and final ingredient of our conspiracies is the human sacrifice. Shut the fuck up. Oh yeah, dude. So only one. Ok, maybe that is all on film and it's it's very likely. I'm going to rip the bandaid off. It's very likely fake, but it's still fucking weird. Okay, so in 2016, there's a video which was leaked and circulated online, which shows several individuals in black coats gathering in the main square of their headquarters to reenact, or enact, an occult ceremony the ceremony sacrifice.
Speaker 2:This sounds familiar so it's shot from the point of view of a secret viewer watching from like a window above the courtyard. Um, and now the courtyard we're talking about is the headquarters where shiva is, okay, so he's standing there and you see torches around the statue of shiva and like a group of 10 people dressed in robes leading a woman dressed in white and wearing a flower crown to kneel in front of the statue yeah, this sounds vaguely familiar, okay hold on, let me get through this and then then give me your thoughts.
Speaker 2:She proceeds to lay down and all those in the robes kneel around her, except for the one standing at the front. He pulls out a large knife and appears to stab her. At this point, the person filming it freaks off, takes out running, or freaks out, takes off running, and you don't see anything more. Ok, give me your thoughts. So far.
Speaker 1:She thought it was a reenactment.
Speaker 2:God only knows, because right from when the knife goes down is when you see nothing more.
Speaker 1:OK, so this video.
Speaker 2:If it was a reenactment, why would he have freaked out and ran? We'll get to that in a second. The video obviously takes off like this is 2016 internet. It gains popularity and a spokesperson from CERN actually makes a comment about it.
Speaker 1:I gotta watch this.
Speaker 2:They stated that the video was a prank oh, I just linked in the notes and that nobody was actually harmed. Why would they prank.
Speaker 2:In its FAQ online that the video was fiction and the actions were outside CERN's professional guidelines and without any official permission. They also state that they do not tolerate this kind of spoof and that it can give rise to misunderstandings about the scientific nature of our work. But here's the deal. It was filmed in the main courtyard in front of the actual statue, so to be able to get inside there you have to have an access badge. So whoever created this, whether it was real or fake, they're involved with CERN.
Speaker 1:They have intimate access to the headquarters so the person looking above, like wherever that view is, you don't have to be in, you don't have to have badge access. So yes, you do.
Speaker 2:Is that what we're saying? Oh, everybody would have had to, so even the person filming let me watch this real quick.
Speaker 1:Oh it's. I don't know if this would be fake.
Speaker 2:It's a weird video for sure, and the same spokesperson who made that quote earlier said that they were never going to ID the person responsible. They would only say it was an internal matter and they were investigating it, but they don't provide more details. But if you had to have a badge to get in there, they know, did it yeah, and I'm like like from the video you, oh yeah, he like freaks out it's really short.
Speaker 2:I urge you guys actually all to pause this. If you're just watch it, so you're not driving watch yeah, just so you can know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:It is very weird because it doesn't. I don't know. I mean, you could stage pranks very well, but to me that doesn't look like. I don't understand why that would number one be a prank. I don't know why you'd be reenacting a sacrifice. That's fucking weird. I mean I just don't know why they would be doing that. And the the shaky video, like the whole, the person recording is like shaking oh yeah, no, he seems they are.
Speaker 1:They seem generally freaked out I listened to it without volume, so I don't know. But like he, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's okay, weird. So this is where I want to stop, before we get into the conspiracies. There's two camps, right, it's just a highly technical place where super smart people are studying physics at a level we don't understand. Therefore, we get scared and we make theories, or while doing real silent or science, they're also giving enough evidence that there's something creepy and darker going on. Where are you at right now?
Speaker 1:why do you have to ask?
Speaker 2:well, kara is obviously going the conspiracy route. She always does everyone else. I want you to figure out where you are right now. Maybe leave us a comment where you're thinking at this point.
Speaker 1:Okay, here's, if you're watching on youtube, anytime we as humans get any sort of power, whether that's a political power, acting, whatever, scientific what, being a cop, scientific what, any, any type of power, it can really shape our stupid little brains all you have to do is look at the science or the Stanford prison experiments to see all the proof you need of that.
Speaker 1:So I just feel like, even if this started as like a good thing or not necessarily, but I guess it could still be a good thing, I don't know If it started as, just like scientists being scientists, you're starting to get all that power. You know that God-like feeling, like holy shit, this is working. And like the strength of like ah, you, you can starting to get all that power. You know that godlike feeling, like holy shit, this is working. And like the strength of like, you can tend to turn more dark or whatever, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:if I'm articulating this the way, To put it really easy, you can see the path that somebody would go down when they're playing with the building blocks of life, that they can get a little bit of carried away, whether they have positive or negative intentions. It might come from curiosity, but holy shit, this stuff, we don't understand it. Maybe we should stop shoving these things into each other to try to understand.
Speaker 1:I mean as like a dumb trying to be relatable thing. Think about even just like you and I and we're not doing anything malicious or harmful. But what I mean is, before we really did like investigations, we were kind of nervous, right. We're like, oh my God, like we don't know if we really want to be involved in investigations. Like we love it from afar, we love watching and talking about it and like doing research, but do we want to be the people that do investigations? And now we're getting paid to do investigations and we are not even like, like we don't even second guess it, we don't even have a fear, we're just like cool, let's do it.
Speaker 2:But that mentality something you should have reverence for becomes normalized.
Speaker 1:You start acting different yes, and that mentality is going to get us in trouble one day.
Speaker 2:I promise you that oh yeah, that are our mouths.
Speaker 2:Come on, let's be for real okay, so so let's get into the top three conspiracies surrounding cern in the lhc there's only three or top three, top okay yeah, and honestly they're all almost one in the same and they all have hundreds of little parts, okay, so I tried to just group them the best I could. So the first is that they're trying to open a portal and summon entities through um. This theory states that cern, through actions at the subatomic level, is trying to open a portal to either another dimension, a pair, to parallel universe or another spiritual realm. So why we think this? The physicists there have openly discussed higher dimensions, multiple dimensions, string theory and possible gravitational leaks from these dimensions into our realm I, I guess.
Speaker 1:But for those things, why wouldn't you start like researching that and trying to like?
Speaker 2:because you don't fucking know what you're letting in. Look at again I understand.
Speaker 1:Let's put this into our perspective.
Speaker 2:When you and I first started in the first five episodes, we talked about shit we didn't understand. We talked about demonic shit and things started getting crazy in our houses. We played with something we thought we understood and had bad consequences.
Speaker 1:Okay, but what I'm saying is, if you're a scientist and you're trying to research these types of things and figure them out, why wouldn't you?
Speaker 2:Because the fate of the world, if you-.
Speaker 1:But they're probably not thinking that way, I know. That's my but okay, I'm not trying to be argumentative or to debate you. No, no, this is good If if you were them, why wouldn't you do these things so?
Speaker 2:which also gives more credence to the fact that these conspiracies are probably right, because I don't think yes, I was to say I don't know if that there's a net in here.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that would be a conspiracy. That's probably fact because I guess in their heads like why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't we try to either? They haven't admitted it and that's why it's conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, more evidence. On this one, the higgs boson. We talked about this earlier. They sometimes call it the god particle, and this has the potential. This particle has the potential to create the conditions for, and be able to observe, a wormhole, or properties of wormholes, which, again, we're messing with things bigger now, that freaks me out. Yeah, so the fears are that the experience would summon dark matter creatures or other worldly entities right by opening up a portal.
Speaker 2:I don't want to worms. No Well, wormholes are like. I know Inner, I know Space travel, that's just.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding Did, I'm just kidding Did you really think? I thought it was worms.
Speaker 2:No, this stuff just stresses me out. Okay, so the reasons theorists come up with this right is that they're trying to make contact with beings in other worlds or dimensions to gain some sort of knowledge, access higher states of consciousness or unlock interdimensional travel. Which, come on, every good cult conspiracy has like fourth dimension shit. They're playing God right. Fourth dimension shit, they're playing god right. They think they're trying to recreate things like the big bang or like the conditions for it to open these portals. Some also think that their ultimate goal is to collapse our current world to make way for the new one.
Speaker 2:Some like real illuminati level shit here I mean we could use a new world right and they're kind of using like a controlled chaos to bring about the new world, enabling the new order. New world order. Okay, and I think the darkest of these theories really goes into the the suggestion that cern is intentionally trying to bring something through a deity, an ancient evil, the watcher type entity, beliefs that tie to biblical and occult narratives about end times, fallen angels or the antichrist.
Speaker 1:Okay you know what, bring it on.
Speaker 2:I mean oh this place is weird. This place always just it's giving me the heebie-jeebies. We'll talk about some other stories that end. But let's go to like major conspiracy number two, and you see what I mean about how, like it's a whole bunch of different conspiracies. I'm just trying to like push them into a couple categories, I guess.
Speaker 1:Well, because I mean they all kind of like coincide in a way.
Speaker 2:Yes, ish so this one is in regards to lhc's ability to create mini black holes, and that's kind of one of the most persistent and, they say, quote unquote misunderstood concept feeling conspiracies. The hypothesis here, if we break it down, is that if extra dimensions exist, as is suggested by string theory, then the energy threshold for a black hole or the creation of a black hole would be lower than expected in modern day physics standards. So the LHC collides protons at nearly the lightest speed, recreating the conditions of the early universe, and there's in this theory potential that what they're doing could create a black hole literally in the middle of Earth.
Speaker 1:If there was a black hole in the middle of the earth, would you?
Speaker 2:go in it. If they do this and they create a black hole, nobody has a choice. We're all in it and we're all gonna figure out exactly what happens. But if you had a choice?
Speaker 1:you don't have a choice. No, but if just say, just say just, the black hole just opened up in the middle of the earth and it was just in there. Everything around it is fine, would you go in it or would you stay here?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go in that black hole. How much whiskey have I had?
Speaker 1:I'm getting fucked. You can have as much as you want.
Speaker 2:I'm jumping in that I mean when I have to make the decision because, like, let's be honest, after a couple of fashions, I'm going in, yeah, but would you rather be here? You know, it's kind of one of those things of like the evil, you know what, if it's like this is, you know, human eating worms on the other side, but it is worms, so worms from beetle juice. No, seriously, though, but it like they're saying that basically they have created the conditions of mini black holes, but like, that to me is is messing with power like what's a mini black hole, exactly, I mean like, yeah, um, so there was actually a lawsuit in 2008 trying to stop cern and the lhc from running, citing this as the main fear.
Speaker 2:Now, right, we don't know that. Every sci-fi movie has shown something different. You either get compressed right, you get obliterated, you go into nothingness when you go to black hole. But some people do claim that they did create a black hole and that we're living in a simulation or a parallel timeline now, after we've been sucked, in which is why the world hasn't felt quite right and timelines don't.
Speaker 1:I can get down on that. So basically we just didn't even know, we got sucked in and it's just like a it's kind of like the show Lost. Here's the thing I never watch that bullshit Okay.
Speaker 2:I'm going to spoil it. I'm going to spoil it for everybody, okay. So if you're going to watch it and you've had two decades, pause me now skip ahead. But the whole thing is they're in a plane that lands on a remote island after a plane crash. They're all in purgatory. They've been dead the whole time, but nobody realized it. If this major shift happened, it would be like that, like we just don't know that we've gone into a parallel.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that. About that, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:What a dumb show right, so like it, dude, it doesn't feel like the same universe, though, like you know this, you and I talk about this. This doesn't feel like the same.
Speaker 1:This is, let me let me talk to these scientists, because this is what I want Create another fucking one, put us on another black hole in a different world, because this one ain't it which?
Speaker 2:leads perfectly into theory number three that this has happened multiple times. And conspiracy number three suggests that CERN and the LHC is the reason why humans experience the Mandela effect.
Speaker 1:I mean, I get that. That 100% makes sense.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But how many times do they think this has happened?
Speaker 2:That we don't know, right, okay, okay. So for anybody who doesn't know the Mandela effect and why it's called, this is actually really, really important for another point we're going to make. So it's a phenomena where large groups of people remember events or facts differently than what the historical record shows. It's named after Nelson Mandela and a lot of people recalling that he died in prison in the 80s, despite the fact that he was released and became South Africa's president. Okay, there's a whole bunch of other ones, right Berenstain, berenstein, fruit of the Loom logo. Hamlet Cornucopia, monopoly man, man with his monocle you're instantly making me angry so what do they have to do with each other?
Speaker 2:so the theory goes is that with all the work they're doing finding these god particles, researching dimensions and all sorts of other string theory craziness it's caused our reality to cross and merge with other timelines and other realities. This causes the large numbers of people right to remember things different from the way they were because of the way the mergers happened. So we were in a timeline where Nelson Mandela died in prison. We've somehow smashed with another timeline or dimension. To quote my favorite Doctor who wibbly, wobbly, timey, wimey. Shit has now happened and everything just works slightly differently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, but I'm just wondering how? Because CERN was established in what? 53?
Speaker 2:54.
Speaker 1:So I'm just wondering, by the time they made Black Hole, it's probably what when do they think they made a Black Hole? Do you know? 60.
Speaker 2:These two things don't have to necessarily, it doesn't have to necessarily be the black hole, I know, but I'm just trying to think.
Speaker 2:They've never confirmed nor denied it. They've said they've created the conditions for. Hold on, though. I think I might have the answer for you. The Ney-Mandela effect was first coined in 2009 by a paranormal researcher named Fiona Broom. So Broom had the false memory of Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 80s, even though he was released in 1990, died in 2013. So she discovered this before he died, which is wild, which is when a lot of people started to point it, right. So this was when 2009,. She coined the term Mandela Effect. Wow, okay. So she discovers that a bunch of other people share the false memory. Right, but it wasn't really discovered that people shared this false memory until 2009. So in the same year, we know, she created a website to document and explore the phenomenon. Okay, the Large Hadron Collider turned on for the first time in 2008.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:So the very next year is when the Mandela effect starts to be researched.
Speaker 1:So I'm just wondering how many times this has happened. So if we were to go through as a side project, we'd have to write down all the major. I don't think we'd be able to know how many times it happened.
Speaker 2:Mandela's. And when you're talking about multiple realities, it's happening across, right? If it's happening in ours, it's also happening in others and it's constant.
Speaker 1:Well, I want to know how many times I don't care about y'all Me.
Speaker 2:Okay, I have a couple more fun facts for you that make it just like it just further. The strangers here wait. Do you want to talk any more about the conspiracies?
Speaker 1:um no, I mean, I just don't know if they're necessarily conspiracies. They're only conspiracies because we nobody is talking about them openly and publicly and they're being hush about it I know we can't, I'm just saying like, I just don't think that they're conspiracies, I think that that is they're true.
Speaker 2:I I think the better word than conspiracies is highly probable accidental side effects if it's not the direct effect of what they're researching.
Speaker 1:Yeah, here's what's crazy to me, and I'm sure there's, I don't know, ok. So like, for example, they're doing this experiment, this stuff, where are they located?
Speaker 2:again, it's on the France and Swiss Geneva, uh, geneva, geneva, thank you so, okay, cool, so they're doing the shit in geneva.
Speaker 1:So, like, theoretically, us here, we should like, we don't even care, you do your experiments there because, like, you're all across the world, right, like you no, listen, just let me finish. Okay, so you're all across the world, theoretically, I don't really give a shit what you're doing, but because it affects, like, potentially, the universe, the planet, the world, that's where it's like, how are you allowed to do that?
Speaker 2:because 54 countries have come together and agreed to do it right, but I just don't understand why. But like and I think that's why they have the lawsuits to stop it. Because it is like the same thing of what you said would be like if China was drilling to the core of the earth and putting a bomb down there. Sure, it's on the other side of the world, but it affects it, right? It?
Speaker 1:affects everybody, so it's different. So like if, if you were doing this and I keep thinking Princess of Genovia- I know. Ok, so if you're the princess of Genovia and you're just like in a bomb, you're like fuck it. I want to bomb Genovia, cool, fine, bomb Genovia, because it's probably not going to affect us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's geographically limited or limited?
Speaker 1:But I'm just saying OK, but now you're doing things that affect the universe. Absolutely fucking everybody. I just don't be.
Speaker 2:I just don't understand how you should be allowed to do that, but whatever, that's beyond me. Let's theorize about it, let's not. Okay, fun facts ready. Yeah, uh, in 2004, cern began testing the newly upgraded LHC.
Speaker 1:So last year, 2004 uh-huh, they did a bunch of last year 2024 sorry you said 2004 last year. What fucking timeline are we on now?
Speaker 2:2024? Oh god, god only knows. It's 2005 for me, no 2024. So last year, do you remember the total solar eclipse? Oh, yeah, yeah, that's when they decided to turn it back on. Oh, I wonder why. Yeah, so they have a history of doing it during odd either cosmic or weird earthquakes. You can line up these experiments with odd times constantly no, are they just saying it's coincidence, um?
Speaker 1:or they're not saying anything. Some say it's coincidence or no like the lac cern.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't say anything people say it's coincidence or that there's massive amounts of energy from these events that they're harnessing or I think it's energy yeah, so one person, uh, you may have heard this name before. His name is alistair crowley. He made contact, apparently, with a demonic entity called awas a-i-w-a-s-s, uh, in 1904, in april, uh, april 8th, 19. Okay, so they think that this is who. Cern might be attempting to contact the deity through the portals by tying up with some of these cosmic.
Speaker 1:They're trying to get to Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 2:No, they're trying to get to the demonic entity he was talking about. That's one of those things that they were maybe trying to pull through. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify. Um, and there's people who do a lot of tie together about the cosmic events that are happening. Right, compared to lhc, it's beyond what we can get into in the hour that we got. Okay, a top researcher at the lhc says that the titanic machinery may possibly create or discover previously unimagined scientific phenomena or unknown unknowns, for instance, an extra dimension is basically a direct quote from a scientist, so we know right there that they don't even know what they're they're playing with. He goes on to quote out of this door might come something, or we might send something through it, and this is from physicist sergio bertolucci, who is the director for research and scientific computing.
Speaker 2:Um, and he said this while briefing reporters, including, like some really really big names, at their headquarters in 2009 okay, read that quote to me yeah, out of this door might come something or we might send something through it. This was after he was talking about. The machinery may possibly create or discover previously unimagined scientific phenomena or unknowns. Unknowns, for instance, an extra dimension.
Speaker 1:Listen, they literally said that I'm going to shove you right through that door.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, Tell me what happens. December 18th 2016,. The CERN Axion Solar Telescope called CAST took advantage of a rare astronomical alignment when the sun aligned with a supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way. This alignment allowed the researchers to search for hypothetical particles like axions and chameleons, which could provide insights. In provide insights into dark matter or dark energy. They basically use the sun's gravitational field as a lens to figure out. Like it, just it, that is wild. That is playing the shit.
Speaker 1:We showed it can you imagine being that smart?
Speaker 2:I wouldn't. I wouldn't want that responsibility. I do want to leave you with a couple more fun quotes from people who have worked at cern that make me just feel a little bit nervous about the whole thing. We're gonna start simple, we're gonna get so. We're probing the fabric of the universe itself. These are all direct quotes. By the way, we are on the verge of discovering new dimensions. The lhc will will open a door to new worlds. Our work could change everything we know about reality, and possibly the worst one. We really just don't know what's gonna happen next I mean you, you could take that.
Speaker 1:Anyway, you're taking it like doomsday, but I get, I get it, but like they don't know it doesn't have to be doomsday or not.
Speaker 2:We don't know what happens next. That's my whole thing.
Speaker 1:Whether this is doomsday or not, you are still playing with things that you don't understand you know what this whole entire time I've been thinking of which I don't, this is just came to my brain. Okay, you know, in the movie triple x I've actually never seen it, oh, it's a good one Well, there's like a Russian gang or something and they have all these scientists and they have this big machine thing like room, and then they just put a bunch of people in there, they put a bunch of the scientists in there, and then they're like you got to watch it, they literally kill them all in this machine and then they just sit there and they all laugh as they're dying in the machine. And it just was making me think of this this whole time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I, I can definitely see that it's really fucked up, but it's such a good movie. Um, I have to watch that. I'll add it to the list. I know we're getting long. I'm gonna just hit us with one fleshed out conspiracy theorist from.
Speaker 1:Reddit.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this comes from r slash and I don't know why low stakes conspiracies. This is from Falco Lombardi and it's titled.
Speaker 1:Remember it's a low stake Right.
Speaker 2:The world ended shortly after the LHC was switched on and we are currently being devoured by the resulting black hole. He goes on to state that LHC started operations September 10th 2008,. Despite alarmism from various media outlets and outspoken persons who claimed that an earth devouring black hole could be formed, the science community were confident that any black hole forming would be microscopic and only last a nanosecond. Nine days later, on September 19ember, 19th 2008, the unthinkable happened. Now he doesn't give any sources for this, but okay, it was thought impossible, but during a routine collision, a massive black hole opened up unexpectedly and quickly engulfed the earth. To avoid utter panic that would no doubt ensue, authorities covered up the incident, blaming it on a so-called magnetic quench, which is a thing that did actually happen. I looked at that. Okay, I don't know exactly what it means, but their effects felt around the world literally nine days after he goes on state due to the warping of the space-time and bizarre mechanics of a black hole. It seems obvious, though over 14 years have passed, that everything seems fine. However, the scientists at CERN continue to do their work because they believe outside of the black hole, it is still September 19th 2008, and only a few seconds have actually elapsed will last before it's ripped apart, but it is thought that global warming is actually the effects of spaghettification, which is string theory stuff.
Speaker 2:With the upper atmosphere being closer to the center of the black hole, the government is keen to avoid mass hysteria and chaos before the inevitable, so stringing everyone along with an alternative narrative that, while seeming bleak itself, is akin to a slowly boiling or slowly boiling a frog, without it noticing that something worse is at play.
Speaker 2:Several billionaires have begun a new space race, but this is not so much about the space race to escape the planet from global warming, but rather a futile effort to avoid the fate of the rest of humanity, because if outside the black hole only a few seconds have passed, time is moving slow enough for us that they might have a chance to survive themselves, which ties in, like every fucking conspiracy theory, and why they're still doing shit to undo what they did when they first turned it on. But do you care? I you're way more blasé about it than I am, because I get like way more anxious about all this shit. But at the end of the day, the people are. They're doing it already. They're going to continue to do it? To what control do I have? We might as well ride the wave, but like it just seems like reckless abandon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it very much seems reckless. I will not say that it's not, but there are so many other things in our world right now that are very fucking reckless.
Speaker 2:So if a black hole were to come and get me, I think I might be okay, but then there's others who would suggest that all the craziness that's happening is due to what they did in the first place. So it's like I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:Very Ouroboros of like eating itself.
Speaker 2:I think this is where the aliens just need to come get me. I've been telling them for a long time I'm ready, beat me up, baby, let's go, it's we're too willing.
Speaker 1:Do we have pick me energy? I think so fuck, I really do. They don't ever pick somebody that wants them.
Speaker 2:I don't feel, you know andrea perrin, come on, they love each other yeah, but they should have already taken her oh they should. We need to work on that either story or a guest in the future, because that would just literally make my entire life oh my god, what did she post the other?
Speaker 1:wait, she just posted a video the other day on her facebook and it was so wholesome and now I can't remember what it was, but I was like I watch it immediately when we're done here, Dang was it a? It was something. I don't even remember what it was, but I was just like, oh, I gotta go.
Speaker 2:Alright, I already have my two emojis for this episode on deck, because that's all I've got for you. We've gone long, two weeks in a row. Are you ready? What are they? I want a circle and an explosion emoji. Okay, I think it's fitting. Yeah, do it up. That's the story of CERN the darkness that they show us. Enough of, that creates the conspiracies. And, yeah, a little lesson on subatomic physics.
Speaker 1:Call to action is what are your thoughts around this? Are you blasé, as Zach would say, like me, or are you freaking out, going down the rabbit hole? How are you feeling?
Speaker 2:and if you don't want to answer either of those questions, tell us about your favorite mandela effect that you've oh yeah.
Speaker 1:No, they're not your favorite. They're terrible. They're so annoying. But what's your favorite?
Speaker 2:what? What's the one that catches you the most? The one that you are adamant was different. Yeah, that really bugs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, really, yes. Yeah, for me it's the cornuc catches you the most. The one that you are adamant was different. Yeah, that really bugs you, really gets you.
Speaker 2:For me it's the cornucopia, because I straight up remember it.
Speaker 1:That one and the Bernstein Bears pissed me off. Those two really, really make me mad. And there was a TikToker that found an old T-shirt at a thrift store. Yeah, the fucking cornucopia.
Speaker 2:So everyone can even when the CEO like oh, the my third one, febreze.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wasn't, isn't cheese, it's one of them, because probably it is.
Speaker 2:Is it cheese it or cheese it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, or it was yeah, something Dang. What's another one that just?
Speaker 2:Jif and Jiffy, yeah Butter fucking dumb.
Speaker 1:You know it's really dumb about it, though about most of them pretty much all of them is that they're so minuscule of things Like they don't impact you, like they're not. You know what I mean. They don't affect you, they're not very impactful in life, but they're just not right.
Speaker 2:The consequence of that shows why so many other things don't feel right Like it seems so minuscule. But that's like the whole thing. If you go back in time and change anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in the future we're not going to realize that it shifted right, but it's like there's yeah, oh my god, okay, I will go into this all night. We gotta go. Zach will never sleep no, I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm already going immediately back to google, jesus christ, don't go back to google.
Speaker 1:Y'all just go to bed or whatever else you're supposed to be doing. Um do all the things we just asked. Um try not to spiral like zach is going to, but the most important thing you can do for us is to creep it really a little oddballs and don't get sucked into a black hole. Goodbye or do bye guitar solo At the Irish Shop and open the door At the Irish Shop. The door's always open At the Irish Shop.
