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Wendigo VS. Skinwalker Pt 1: Unmasking Ancient Terrors
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your Curator Kara is talking all things Wendigo, Listen at your own Risk!
Ever felt that chill down your spine while alone in the woods? That primal instinct warning you something's watching from just beyond the tree line? You might have narrowly avoided one of the most terrifying entities in indigenous folklore.
The line between natural fear and supernatural threat blurs as we dive deep into the Wendigo – a creature born from humanity's darkest moments of desperation. This cannibalistic entity stands at the crossroads of spirit and flesh, a transformation that begins with an unthinkable act and ends with eternal, insatiable hunger.
What happens when hunger drives someone to the unthinkable? How does a Wendigo hunt its prey? Can you truly survive an encounter? We answer these questions and more!Listen with the lights on, and join us next week for part two where we'll complete our examination of these supernatural predators with an in-depth look at Skinwalkers. The woods will never feel quite the same after this two-part journey into what waits between the trees.
References:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendigo
- https://www.britannica.com/topic/wendigo
- https://allthatsinteresting.com/wendigo
- https://www.facinghistory.org/ideas-week/more-monsters-deeper-significance-wendigo-stories#:~:text=In%20most%20traditions%2C%20the%20wendigo,from%20possession%20by%20a%20spirit.
- https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/strange-creatures/wendigoes3.htm
- https://real-supernatural-and-mythical-world.fandom.com/wiki/Wendigo#:~:text=The%20Wendigo%20craves%20human%20flesh,brittle%20bo
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I want to dance with the Malt Men At the IA shop, Baked in the moonlight At the IA shop. Creep through the graveyard To the IA shop. The door's always open at the Oddity Shop. Hi, welcome back to the Oddity Shop, the podcast where we tell you creepy, odd words, strange, bizarre stories from around the world. I'm your curator, Zach, sitting here with your curator Kara. How are you doing?
Speaker 2:Wow, are you getting ready to be an auctioneer?
Speaker 1:I've been practicing. Honestly, I just wanted to see how fast I could do it and if I could do it without making a mistake, and I think I did halfway decently.
Speaker 2:You slurred a lot though, like you weren't like full words. Oh OK, I don't know if that matters, I don't care.
Speaker 1:Well, in case it's somebody's first time here, I don't want them to think we're crazy. We are welcome back to the oddity shop, you little oddballs. This is the podcast where we tell you creepy, odd, weird, strange, bizarre stories from around the world. I'm your curator zach, sitting here with the ugly of the ugly when I talk slow. Other lovely curator, kara kara, how are you?
Speaker 2:hello, I am great I am so good, glad, oh my god so we are recording, not late, but we've had a eventful week both of us, so we are making this like a cocktail hour and we haven't even started the cocktails and you can't even speak and here's what you guys might remember might not like the first, maybe 50 episodes we usually had.
Speaker 1:We had anxiety. Okay, we had to have a drink, so we had some cocktails. So, yeah, we're going back outside.
Speaker 2:It's friday night which is weird for us, and I don't work tomorrow, which is weird for me we've earned some drinks this week, I think yeah, and if you want to have a drink with us when you're listening, if you can I don't know If you don't drink have a water. I also have a water with liquid IV in it.
Speaker 1:And that's what being over 30 is. Also, if you're driving and listening, please don't join us and drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's that. That's that. What's new with you of our bad weeks? I really, really, really, really desperately need Mother Nature to hear my cries, because I need to be able to put my feet in the grass, like now, yesterday, five weeks ago. I need to get my little witchiness. I don't know what's going on. I had a terrible day the other day. I just had a lot of stuff built up and it was freezing out. Okay, I'm talking freezing, but I walked my ass into the woods. I ruined my converse, by the way, because it was so muddy it was like the white part, the whole shoe.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was saying, mr Clean, magic erasers, make mine look brand new. You should try it.
Speaker 2:I'm sure I could take a hose to them, but I'm talking that like it. The mud went up to my ankles, okay, but I still didn't care. I trucked through the woods for an hour and a half and I bawled my eyes out the entire time on the phone with my mother.
Speaker 2:How healing there was deers everywhere looking at me, though. But here's my problem. I hate the cold, so it was very great. I loved it because I just needed to be outside, but I need mother nature to give me some sunshine. I need to lay in the grass that's fair.
Speaker 1:I just need, just need it. Where'd you go in the woods?
Speaker 2:Um, so you know that trail that I I told you about but I've never taken you. It's across the street from that cemetery. It's like behind that creepy house. I just went back there Cause that's like just the closest I could just walk from my house.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And I figured if I just went into, not middle of the night it was like eight o'clock. But in the winter people would be like what the fuck's wrong with the girl?
Speaker 2:I mean, people probably think that about you quite a bit they do, but I I just wanted to be where no one could see me, so I went in the woods, except for the deers saw me. They were there for support and then this is completely random, but it like was like holy shit. So remember, it was probably one of the first, my favorite murder, like one of their first episodes, and they covered this and I it stuck with me forever and Morbid just did it on one of their last, like latest, episodes and so I re-listened to it and it just it's one of those things where it's like holy crap, like if we could all be as amazing as this person. Do you remember the case of Alison Both?
Speaker 1:Not at all.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think it's allison both. I hope I'm right. She is the incredible woman that survived her attackers that literally slit her throat like oh yeah, okay, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, oh yes where her intestines okay we can, you guys can look it up.
Speaker 1:I this gives me the absolute most heebie-jeebies of all time.
Speaker 2:It really does. It's so awful. Morbid did a very, very good job of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they did. I've listened to that one For Morbid, or did it just come out? Who else?
Speaker 2:did it then my Favorite Murder. That was when I first heard it.
Speaker 1:Somebody else did it because I remember them talking about my Favorite Murder covering it oh, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I only listened to that, but the morbid one is recent. It's really good. I mean they're all whatever, but on it I'm just gonna say this it it sounds so awful, but if you, I'm not gonna give you all the details because it's so gruesome I will pass out this woman survived. So much stuff we can survive the week that is true.
Speaker 1:If you're ever wild struggles, if you're ever having a struggle getting through things, look up her story. If she can do it, yeah, kara's right, you can. It is horrifying. Nobody should have survived what she did, and to become an advocate after that, and everything that she's done is incredible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and actually she had another really horrible medical scare like a couple months ago, and they did have a GoFundMe for her and it's in Africa. So it's not GoFundMe, it's like some buddy system, but it ended before I could donate.
Speaker 1:Well, that's kind of a good thing. If it ended, they probably hit their goals. Then I think they did that's awesome.
Speaker 2:All right. Well, that was my week.
Speaker 1:What about yours? Well, technically, like in real life time, well, not our real life time, but time this comes out, I will be just getting back from my European cruise, so I'm hoping that went well, back from my european cruise, so I'm hoping that went well, it went.
Speaker 2:Well, that's about it. Oh, I got that new home gym this week you did, or exactly a week ago and you were a little uh, facebook marketplace.
Speaker 1:Okay, listen, if you will, you, I have been going back and forth on whether to buy it at retail price and the retail price is very expensive, but you finance it over 12 months and I've been going back and forth and right before I was like about to do it, I had tried a few of the workouts. It's the tempo system.
Speaker 2:Yep, and shout out to lauren haunts, because she gave you a code and she gave me a free month. You needed it. Well, she didn't.
Speaker 1:She really didn't push it, but she she gave me the free month, um. So I went on marketplace and there was one for like a third of the retail price and I ended up getting it, for. I talked her down, we worked on it, I got it for less than 20 full retail and it works beautifully. It's like brand new. I'm sore as shit, but I love it. That's awesome. That's so good. Yay, yeah, so there's good news to offset your dark news. I think that's it, though. Do we have anything before we get the shop open? No, all right, you better have a question to open the shop up for me, or?
Speaker 2:else I'm going to be pissed. You know what's really fucking bad. I do not have one. I just realized I do not have one.
Speaker 1:I'm leaving, All right guys.
Speaker 2:This was a great episode. I guess. Go ahead, just start, okay. Anyway, I'm sorry, I don't have questions, so what can I think of? Uh, what's okay? So what is like your vice, would you say?
Speaker 1:oh I don't know what mine is nicotine for sure yeah I at least got off cigarettes, but my e-cig and me are. It's so bad it needs to go away, but I feel like it's of all the bad vices I've had, I've kicked all the rest of them, so okay that has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but it's a question.
Speaker 2:Oh, you were just calling me out. Okay, what's yours? I don't know, probably alcohol, right, I don't know what's my vice sniffling okay, I don't know if I have advice. Let me look up the definition of advice. I'll get back to you.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:All right, I think by now that we all know that I love me. A vampire and a werewolf, yes, yes, we all know this. I love a tragic story of changing into something supernatural and powerful, good evil, wondering if this newfound ability can collide with the mundane existence you were once content with. So I admittedly love the thought of having a fight like to fight an evil inside of you. That's like life altering to somebody else. So say what you want about me. That's why we're here. Okay, this all to say that there are other creature spirit things that fascinate me just as much as they terrify me more than like anything that we talk about on here. So, like the vampire and the werewolf, they're like very different like things, but I feel like the two things that we're going to talk about today, I feel like often get confused for one another. So I figured why not talk about two incredibly terrifying entities?
Speaker 1:Are you really doing these both in one? Oh baby, You've been teasing me with this episode for two and a half years.
Speaker 2:Yes, this has nothing to do with vampires and werewolves, but these two creature things fascinate me so much, just like those two. But I am afraid to like delve into them because, like a vampire and werewolf, I'm just like. They're really cool, I want to be them. I don't know about these. Alright, I just want you to be informed. This is your warning.
Speaker 1:I knew it was coming.
Speaker 2:So talking about this type of subject matter can be like summoning them. Some would say and I will not take offense if you just plop right on off right now. I will not be mad if you drop off. Okay, bye, Zachary, you have to stay.
Speaker 1:Oh shit.
Speaker 2:Also. It's really hard, but I am going to try to not say their names as much as I possibly, or I'm only going to say as much as I possibly can, but it's kind of really hard not to you know what I mean. Like, when you're talking about it, it's hard for it to just not come out. So I'm going to try to do our best, okay.
Speaker 1:It's okay, you just do a pre-sage and a post-sage and do a little magic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to give some code names that we can use, but I might forget to use them, so I'm just giving you guys that warning as well. Are you ready?
Speaker 1:God fucking no.
Speaker 2:Okay, Well, today, tonight, whenever your ear holes listen to this. We are talking about the difference between a Ear holes.
Speaker 1:listen to this. We are talking about the difference between a Skinwalker and a Wendigo. Oh gosh, here we go.
Speaker 2:So code names are Windy Boy and you can thank two girls, one ghost, because I'm pretty sure they came up with that, and I actually think they came up with the Flesh Pedestrian, which is what we're going to call a Skinwalker. Okay so thank you, girls. Either way, here you go, and we are going to start with the Wendigo, or our little windy boy.
Speaker 1:Let's do it.
Speaker 2:All right. So now, depending on who you talk to, it can be pronounced Wendigo, Wendigo, Wendigo. It's kind of like one of those things. It's just like almost really interchangeable depending on where you are. So you pick. Whatever you decide. That's what you can think of in your head. Don't say it out loud, All right. So the Windy Boy originates from Algonquin, speaking folklore. So these include the Ojabwe, the Solta, the Cree, the Naskapi Naskapi, sorry and the Innu. Okay.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:I tried my best, I wrote out my abbreviations and I practiced because I don't want to upset anybody.
Speaker 1:I think you did pretty darn good. I'm actually proud of you for not even stumbling. Thank you, I did a little.
Speaker 2:Okay. So the word though, wendigo, has many different translations within Native American languages. So the English word is actually the source of the Ojabwe, but the Cree actually have it. They call it a Wetiko. So again, there's just, like all, different like ways and obviously translation changes between different languages. So it makes sense. Some interpretations mean owl, which you're like okay, cool, not bad. Some mean a winter cannibal monster and others mean the evil spirit that devours mankind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've definitely heard the second too, although there's some creepy owl lore out there too. Well, there is, they're all a little terrifying.
Speaker 2:So the Windy Boy is often described having humanoid characteristics, but also like not because they have a skull head with a long stout. So like picture a goat skull. And then it also has antlers to match the unsettling lack of facial facial features I've always thought it looked kind of like a deer skull right a deer or like a goat to me like something like that I guess it depends on the depiction too yeah, and then it has antlers.
Speaker 2:Uh, fangs protrude the empty eye holes for eyes glow. Oh, it's just like creepy comparing to what I don't know, but it stands 15 feet tall, is what people say now do you take the 15 feet tall?
Speaker 1:are you you mad about their height description?
Speaker 2:Well, that's what I said, Comparing to what I don't know.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's say usually there's a whole common I know.
Speaker 2:That's why I put it in there, because I'm not even getting into it. Fierce eyesight, shocking hearing, impeccable sense of smell, speed and strength to match its predatorial creation frightening.
Speaker 1:That's impressive for not having the organs to hear or see or smell.
Speaker 2:Well, I think it has organs, I just don't think it has a head, flesh head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but if it has empty eye holes.
Speaker 2:Well, I think it has all the other organs. Okay, body.
Speaker 1:I was talking about its sensory organs, yeah, but what is it?
Speaker 2:So, depending on what adaptation you go with, it's either a malevolent spirit or a creature. That's a cannibalistic monster Okay. So it just depends on where you get your info from. It's either like a spirit monster Okay, how does one become a Windy Boy? Or how are they brought forward, you might ask.
Speaker 1:How are they brought forward? Kara? Curator Kara.
Speaker 2:Okay. So in Countless Dark Tales, the Windy Boy begins as a human driven by unbearable hunger or depression, who succumbs to the unspeakable act of cannibalism and is forever transformed. So, according to some legends, a malevolent spirit can possess a human, twisting their soul and driving them to cannibalism, thus birthing the Wendigo within Old tales whisper of sorcerers who, through a dark curse, could turn a person into a windy boy or a creature of hunger and shadow, doomed to wander the wilderness forever. So cliff notes version version cannibalism. Like you, something happens like a tragic event. You resort to cannibalism, you turn or possession. You were possessed by one to be one, or a sorcerer cursed you.
Speaker 1:I love that your footnotes were just as long as the original description, but it seemed at least two out of the three. It seems like something else turned to you which takes a little bit of the responsibility off.
Speaker 2:I don't. I don't know what would be your favor, which one?
Speaker 1:Well, I'm not going to just turn into a cannibal. So I feel like I'd have to be turned. But if I had to choose, I would just choose to not become one.
Speaker 2:Right, all right. So the Wendy boy is often views viewed as a haunting symbol of deep trauma, loss and the dire consequences of desperation. It's legend sometimes intertwined with the brutal legacy of settler violence against indigenous people. Right so, like a lot of folklore, there's a deeper meaning within the legend. Real life problems are like insatiable greed. Selfishness, gluttony and violence are what the Wendigo represents.
Speaker 2:So for our little Wendy boy, most sightings are noted between the 1800s and the 1920s okay as the legend spread, so did blame for a lot of the murder and the disappearances and tribes which we get that, we get that with like witch trials and things like that you know it's kind of remind me and I'm so this will be a super quick side note.
Speaker 1:No, you're good, like the way they come about and how it's in the lore and stuff. I wonder if, because you know we've pretty much debunked the Dybbuk box, if the Dybbuk box takes from this lore of the Dybbuk is a demon that you know came from somebody who is terrible in real life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what I will say and actually this is a really good place for me to just put this because I didn't actually write it in Native American culture, beliefs, folklore, all this is so very serious to them. So a lot of people actually frown upon people that are not part of that culture to actually talk about this type of stuff. So I don't want to offend anybody, I don't want to upset anybody, like, that's not what we're trying to do. We're just trying to spread the knowledge between the difference of these two things, because they are very different. So I don't, I just want to put that out there. There was disclaimers on most of my research. All right, well.
Speaker 1:I we appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Okay, during the harsh winter of 1878 and 79, a season marked by starvation and suffering along the cree swift runner uh fell under the grip of what came to be known as wendigo psychosis. Oh, that. That was like a real diagnosis yeah, and actually I think it's still used in certain like things, because it's basically a condition described by anthropologists as involving delusions and an uncontrollable urge toward cannibalism.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine just an uncontrollable urge for cannibalism? I couldn't. Cannibalism is so fascinating to me.
Speaker 2:We talked about this in one of our, in our cannibal episode. I just yeah, yeah, it's so fascinating to me because I just don't have an urge to eat a human, but then it's very freaking weird that we have urges to eat like a cow. That is true, yeah, I think me, you and lauren talked about this and oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we did shout out lauren, all right. So in its thrall he murdered his wife and children, consuming their flesh. He was eventually captured, put in jail and, in december of 1879, hanged.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess good probably for the best so this is just one example of somebody claiming to be overtaken by a wenzel and then it being like the diagnosis again. I am not saying that they're not real because I 100 believe in them. It's just that things like this spread again like the witch trials. I believe in witches, I believe in magic. Did I think that everybody was a witch and they deserve to die? Fuck no, but you know things that don't go their way. They accuse people of all kinds of things, or if you did something horrific, you might blame it on something else right, right, absolutely the fall guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the one day boy's hunger never ends. No matter how much it eats, it's always starving, and that's why it looks so thin and weary. So it just it's never satiated.
Speaker 1:That also sounds terrible, not only having a taste for human flesh, which has always been hungry.
Speaker 2:I would take wanting to eat humans over never feeling full.
Speaker 1:Absolutely 100% hands down.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're fucking crazy. Stories say it has its favorites the soft fat of children, the smooth skin of women, the tough muscle of men, especially hunters and warriors, and even the brittle bones of elderly.
Speaker 1:So basically it doesn't have favorites, how does it have favorites? Just what am I in the mood for today? Oh, I'm like a baby with a side of elderly.
Speaker 2:Right, elderly bones. It just craves it all. It craves it all and once it catches your scent, it won't stop until it feeds. Basically, it's like it's not like you can escape the grasp of it. You can try, but I don't know if you're going to win.
Speaker 1:So basically, if you put me within the scent area of bacon, yeah, I will not stop until I feed Same.
Speaker 2:Or me and you at holidays when we eat the little weenies oh, pigs in a blanket thank you, the pigs in the blanket there's like yeah, we'll just be. Oh, my god, um, okay. So they are known to mimic loved ones and lure you to secluded areas like the woods okay all right, so now. How are you feeling, though, after all of this?
Speaker 1:I've always heard the last one being attributed to the other thing we're talking to, but I think I'm thinking ahead on that, so I'm going to save some comments.
Speaker 2:No, this is your. I gave you a splot, A splot. I gave you a slot so far. What are your feelings about this?
Speaker 1:I just so far right, like the mimicking other voices and stuff it. It reminds me of the stories I've heard of the flesh pedestrians and I I think they and I I assume this is where you're going that they're a little bit more intertwined than we thought. The other thing that I always think about with these right is there's so many different physical descriptions like I think the most common is the antler and the skull and that but sometimes, like they just look like human. I think it's one of those things that, like different cultures are seeing it through their perspective and give different well, that's why it's like different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like different tribes have their own um. I can't think of the word descriptions yeah, but like um, whatever, it doesn't matter, but each tribe kind of has their own like version, if you will yeah they all kind of are like aligned, but they are different.
Speaker 2:That's why some translate to different meanings and they look a little bit different and like the stories are a little bit different, but it all basically is the main thing is the same, or like how you become, one is different in different legends or whatever. Right, let me tell you that with the help of my enemy chat, gpt I created a how to survive a wendigo encounter.
Speaker 1:Oh, a practical and slightly terrifying wait can you survive if they catch your scent? Because if they don't stop to do that, okay, wait, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take notes all right, number one, oh, don't worry.
Speaker 2:Um, I also had it configure it into a principal like oh, perfect, and I figured it'd be fun if I like put it in patreon or like mailed it to our little patreons there you go, so fun like here.
Speaker 1:If you want to survive a wendy boy attack, you gotta subscribe. Oh god, that's the worst Subscribe or die.
Speaker 2:Number one know the signs. Wendy boys don't just stroll into town. They creep, lurk and haunt places heavy with sorrow, hunger and isolation. Keep an eye and ear out for unnatural howling in the dead of night, sudden bone chilling, cold even in summer, vanishing people or animals, trees stripped bare in one eerie path, a lean, gaunt figure with glowing eyes, always watching from just beyond the firelight, always watching Mr Wazowski. Number two avoid the triggers. Wendy boys are born from desperation and taboo, especially cannibalism. So if you're lost in the woods with a group, don't split up, don't resort to violence or betrayal and definitely don't cover yourself in seasonings.
Speaker 2:Eat anyone, and definitely don't eat anyone, no matter how desperate things get. Okay, Seriously, just don't. It reminds me of um. What's the movie?
Speaker 1:Can you give me one more detail?
Speaker 2:Uh. Blair Witch Project the.
Speaker 1:Shaky One, there we go.
Speaker 2:They should have been to all turned in one, because they all turned on each other.
Speaker 1:You guys don't play like charades or Pictionary with Kara. It's that movie, the one that shakes.
Speaker 2:Here's the problem I only do that with like you, or like Aaron, because you know me so well that most of the time you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:I am. I've learned how to speak, kara, over the years.
Speaker 2:Okay, number three, arm yourself if you must. Okay, number three, arm yourself if you must. If it's already too late and you're being stalked, legend offers a few tools that might help you Fire their icy hearts. Despise flame Torches, campfires or flamethrowers if you're wild like that. Silver weapons Not always reliable, but some tales say silver can harm or kill a wendy boy, sort of like the werewolf.
Speaker 1:Hey, going back to, would a lighter be enough? No, oh, shoot, it might like.
Speaker 2:Because that would just be a really easy way to say like save yourself 99 cent, bank it might maybe make them like weary of you, and then you can get a head start and run, but they'll just catch you. So, okay, okay, target the heart, supposedly made of ice. You'll need to pierce it and then burn it to ashes. No mercy. Dismemberment, dismemberment, is that how you say it? Dismemberment.
Speaker 1:There you go. I knew you'd get there.
Speaker 2:Plus fire dismemberment. There you go. I knew you'd get there plus fire. So your safest bet is creepy, but, yes, effective, hopefully. So you're gonna dismember the body and then set it all ablaze. Okay, number four what did you have a question?
Speaker 1:no statement. The? Um, you're not gonna get this, but the? Um ice king from lord of the or not lord of the rings. Game of of Thrones is very much like this.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, I'm sure they took.
Speaker 1:You know all that like legend and If you've watched Game of Thrones, you now know how to save yourself from a Wendy boy.
Speaker 2:Okay, Okay, number four trust the elders and the stories. Traditional knowledge is your best defense. Indigenous legends often speak of ceremony, spiritual guidance and respect for nature as ways to keep the Wendy boy away in the first place. Seek wisdom before you seek weapons. I like that. Knowledge is power.
Speaker 1:I think seek wisdom before you seek weapons is a great phrase.
Speaker 2:For our entire world right now. Mm-hmm, number five If you see one, run. No, really, just run. They're fast, they know the woods better than you, but you might get lucky if you cross running water. Some legends say that they can't Hide near strong fire or iron, kind of like we talked about before. Keep your back to something solid. Never let it circle you All right. Zach's just falling asleep over here.
Speaker 1:He's not paying attention to the rules and something's going to happen and he's not going to know what to do. Listen, if one of the rules is run, I'm already counting myself out.
Speaker 2:Listen, I'll print it small and you can keep it in your wallet.
Speaker 1:Perfect, okay, keep it right next to my Miranda right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, number six, final warning the Wendy boy isn't always just a beast in the woods. It's a hunger that creeps into your heart. Greed, betrayal, desperation that's how it starts. So remember, stay warm, stay together and never forget who you are. So I can't go camping alone anymore. No, the whole time I had these rules I was like Zach no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:It's okay, I never crave human flesh. I'm good Well until you do.
Speaker 2:How do you feel now about the little wind boy? Any difference, same About the same, about the same. All right, I'm just, you know, got to do it gotta, I still don't want to cross one all right, I have an encounter I, I know you do.
Speaker 1:You know who you should have asked. Actually, you know who had a crazy encounter. It is um one of our recent guests, xy she's got, and if you guys haven't picked up her books yet, she has a crazy story in there.
Speaker 2:But so I thought of I actually did think about emailing her and asking her, but she's still gallivanting the states with her husband and I'm like I don't want to.
Speaker 1:She's living her Florida life.
Speaker 2:No, now she's in. I think she jumped somewhere else. Oh good for her Before coming back home. I don't know, she's a wild little lady. So this is from my favorite Reddit. The username is hails1721. I've posted this in the Wendigo community. I'm in, but I also wanted to share this here to see if anyone else has any intel that can help me, since the other community seems to be pretty quiet. I realize how unbelievable this story might be, but I assure you it's entirely true. I've had countless experiences with the supernatural since I was four. I'm 33 now, but this is one of the most terrifying ones I've had. I've looked at some of the stories in this community to see if there's anything I haven't discovered yet. I thought that if I share my encounter here, there might be someone who has some information that could help. Please don't comment if you don't believe in the supernatural. I've seen the skeptics plastering their two cents on some of these posts.
Speaker 1:Oh, that poor girl is asking for trolls right there, I know, or boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. Looking for legitimate information. My questions are at the end of this. Thanks in advance.
Speaker 2:I had an experience with a Wendy boy this fall in early October in northern Minnesota in a state forest very close to it, if not on a reservation. I've always heard that speaking of them can draw them to you, but I hadn't thought or listened to any Wendy stories Wendy stories, I don't know why that got me anytime close to my encounter. I was staying with some very dear friends I'll call them M and C, and they have a camper in their yard by the lake for guests to sleep in. I had walked down to the camper from the house with my miniature dash hound, ebony. You know this is also why I picked it yeah Around midnight and found that I need to set some things up, primarily the heater.
Speaker 2:By the time I was done getting everything in order, it was approximately 1.30. I never thought to lock the door because really I figured it's in the middle of the woods so there was nothing to worry about. I was wrong. I had closed the curtains, thank God, and I was having trouble falling asleep because my anxiety was going mad. M and C's dogs were barking outside and their geese wouldn't stop honking. Ebony, who usually sleeps under the covers, was sitting on my hip while I laid on my side, and I could feel her turning her head back and forth like she was trying to track something outside. I tried tucking her under the blankets to calm her down, but she kept returning to her perch on my hip.
Speaker 2:I have no idea how long I laid there, I would say, at least 40 minutes when all of a sudden I heard m's voice outside the camper.
Speaker 1:No, anybody in there? Hmm, this shouldn't be happening in the midwest.
Speaker 2:This is appalachia level shit no, it's not, I don't like. Can you imagine, though, that, like at this point, it's like two something in the morning and you just hear anybody In there, hmm.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:In your friend's voice.
Speaker 1:I'm ignoring it. I'm pretending to be asleep.
Speaker 2:Duh, you know I'm in here. It's your camper, right, okay? And then it sounded like Claws dragged down the side Of the camper. I almost called back to her when I realized number one, she and C were both fast asleep by now. Number two M knew I was in there. She wouldn't ask if anybody was. Suddenly I noticed everything had gone absolutely silent outside. The dogs and the birds had stopped crying on, the gusts of wind had even stopped. It was the kind of silence you hear about in horror stories, how the woods go mute when something evil is in the area. Then another thought hit me. Ebony would be losing her shit and barking at the door if it had been anything human. She was frozen by my hip, dead, quiet, shaking. I didn't dare to move, but I was also starting to have to pee, I was just going to say this sounds like you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I remembered that I hadn't locked the door.
Speaker 1:And like when you have to choose between peeing or death, or like not peeing or death is the better way to say that. I know you're going to pick peeing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have no idea how long I laid there debating whether I should get up and use the bathroom and lock the door, but it felt like an eternity In reality. I guessed it may be 10-15 minutes. I thought it may have been a flesh pedestrian at first, but I remembered that they don't typically mimic the voices of your loved ones to lure you into the woods. Wendy boys do See, I've heard that about both.
Speaker 1:Actually the other one more.
Speaker 2:See, no, I haven't. But I did read some stuff about the flesh pedestrians doing that, but it is not as documented. Okay, from what I found, I knew these creatures demons, whatever they are can lure humans out of their abodes if they make eye contact with you, and everything in me was screaming to make sure I didn't look outside. I made double sure I didn't look through the cracks in the curtains as I walked softly to the front of the camper and very slowly turned the lock. Praying and holding my breath, I made sure to keep my eyes away from the windows as I crawled back in bed and pulled Ebony close and she finally stayed under the blankets. I snuck a peek at my phone for the time before I laid down, figuring it had to be 3 am, the witching hour. It was about 2.30. As soon as I laid down, the wind kicked back up and MNC's basset hounds erupted into howls as they came running down to the camper.
Speaker 1:Bring these dogs inside they're not her dogs.
Speaker 2:Save them.
Speaker 1:I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't care, yeah, but they were at the house. She's far away from the house. What does she get Then? She would have had to leave the camper.
Speaker 1:Do it for the dogs.
Speaker 2:Bro, you're crazy. I mean I get it, but you would. Then you'd have to literally leave the camper. She was in the middle of the woods off the property of her friend's house. The dogs were safer than she was, doesn't sound?
Speaker 1:like it. They were at the house. This thing could go for them, although it likes humans, so oh my God.
Speaker 2:I heard the Bassetts came back to the camper barking a few more times before they laid down outside the door to protect me. Now, can she save them? No, I didn't get out of bed again that night. I told MNC what happened the next morning. I think I was hoping M would say that he maybe did come down to check on me and Ebony, but she or that she would. Oh my God, fuck it. You get it. But she confirmed what I already knew. They had gone to bed as soon as I left the house. I said a prayer over their house and the camper and all of us the following night and had an uneventful night, thank God.
Speaker 2:I also spoke with another guy who's familiar with the supernatural to see if he knew any more about the Wendigo. I'm not sure how accurate the information he gave me was, or if it's reliable at all. Accurate the information he gave me was, or if it's reliable at all. But when I asked him why Ebony hadn't made a peep, I had assumed it was because she was absolutely petrified. He said the Wendy boy can control animals to keep them from alerting their owners about its presence. He also told me one they can't enter houses that aren't made of wood directly from the forest. They're hunting in tents and campers included, because they consist of man-made materials. Two, a lock is useless. They can unlock a door so they can try to lure you outside. And three, they typically stay in the woods but they will come into a smaller town and never into a city.
Speaker 2:I had never heard of any of what he told me before, so again, I can't speak for accuracy, but I also hadn't researched the claims either.
Speaker 2:He also advised me to never go outside to pee at night if I ever go camping, and to bring a bucket or something to use and to make sure that I always close tent flaps and curtains before falling asleep.
Speaker 2:He said if the flaps are open so you can see outside, the Wendy boy can make eye contact with you and draw you out. After leaving MNCs to go to my father's house for a few days, I had the distinct feeling of being watched when I took Ebony outside after dark. My father lives three hours away from MNC but his house is in the country. I told myself it was only the fear of the experience and what I know about the Wendy boy triggering an overreaction imagination. I never heard anything and I watched Ebony's behavior very closely and she didn't act like she had in the camper. I'm moving back to that area from Canada and this experience has been weighing heavily on my mind. I've been trying to find any information about warding them off, or if they have a home hunting range, like cougars do, or if they move from one region to another.
Speaker 2:My prayers did work the second night, so I figured I can pray over the property. I also have holy water that I can use, since the Wendy boy is an evil spirit that possesses people or physically manifests Frustratingly. A majority of what comes up in searches is utter garbage. Does anyone know if a Wendy boy stays in one area? Are my concerns about it coming back when I get moved into my cabin warranted, or am I worrying excessively? Do you have any tips of warding them off? Thanks again for any information you can offer. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 1:Here's one of the things and I'm glad she she kind of struck on it at the end, but this is one of the things that's always confused me about both of the the creatures you want to talk about, is they are both at the same time corporeal and incorporeal, like they're made out of man-made parts, but they're also a spirit well, it depends on where you go, because that's what I was saying at the beginning.
Speaker 2:Some people think that they're a malevolent spirit speaking for the wendigo, and some people actually think they're a creature right, but I mean the in the story you just read.
Speaker 1:She said oh, she called it a spirit at the end, but also said it was made of man-made parts and like. I think this is why it's so she said it can't enter man-made parts oh, because you said it when you said it's made of man-made parts you're talking about because it can't enter in um that's how you're talking about the creature, not the no no, no so it can't some legends say that it can't enter in if it's not made of wood.
Speaker 2:Like it's man-made. It's made of man-made parts. Yeah, no, I got you now.
Speaker 1:But to me I've still heard it both ways Like it has a skull and antlers, but it's also spirit, because it's very much in like Axia's a spectral level. So it's the whole thing of them is so confusing.
Speaker 2:I think to me supernatural anything is never defined in one way. I think we kind of know that, but to me I do think it's more of a spiritual thing that can present as like a physical creature is what makes sense in my head, I guess, because Too.
Speaker 1:we're putting a very human view on it. You're right, by the way you said, that is who say it's neither of those things, and we're just trying to explain it yeah, right. Okay, fair Enough.
Speaker 2:Basically that is our Wendy boy, so it is developed from mostly cannibalism of a loved one, something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But some sources say it can be casted on you, cursed on you, possessed by one and you become one, but it is basically a cannibalistic entity. However you want to view it, that is what that is and I.
Speaker 1:I think those are the only two things. Yeah, you can claim 100 about these, because and everything else is a lot of conjecture. But yeah, it does seem for the classification of the wendy boy that it started human and then yeah, comes whatever, yeah, no, I agree with you on that.
Speaker 2:You know, and it's like like we talked about, it's like it can be a tale of um, like warning, you know, like younger generations um, but to native americans, you know that their spirit, spirit, spirituality, spirituality thank you is very, very important to them and their culture, and so I never want want to make light of that, because I fully believe it. But some people are just like, no, it's a tale.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a tale, but I think that these are one of those things that have had enough evidence. While I don't think that those who experience it know 100% what they're dealing with, I think there's enough evidence to say that we're dealing with something and the classifications we put on it makes sense enough that we can at least understand the phenomenon. Did you come across anything in your research on this? One of it draining the life force? Because that's that's something that I've heard from a couple different people. I know like xe was one, and there's a few others where it can almost like take residence in your not in always in your house, but in your area, and it sort of like pulls off of the energy of the living.
Speaker 2:Well, I think, because it is a predator, that's kind of like the vibe of it. It lurks and it like preys on you. So I do think that, without me of like actually reading that, I think that is kind of what it's doing.
Speaker 1:It is like preying on you, it's like and I guess if it has the energy, like if you make the eye contact it'll kind of pull it's manipulating you to like pull you, and then it's like going to. So it is a point like almost like a keep on and say like a psychological attack. But that's not a psychic, a psychic attack.
Speaker 1:God, yeah, like I, psychological attack, but that's not a um, a psychic, a psychic attack. God, yeah, yeah, like I know it's right there. This is why we don't typically record fridays, because we're brained out at the end of the week.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, sure, we sure are all right.
Speaker 1:So so, with it being, though, like a psychic attack or not. Okay, I'm interested and I have a feeling with the so that you just said, and where we're at in time you're going to break this up into.
Speaker 2:I guess what you guys. I'm so sorry, my little oddballs.
Speaker 1:We knew this was going to happen. These are two big ones. We got to do it.
Speaker 2:I had to do it in one episode because I really think that the importance of the differences need to be more talked about, because I don't think people understand. But it is a heavy episode, as in we all need to go cleanse ourselves, take a shower, drink some water. Sage, don't go outside for a minute, don't go in the woods.
Speaker 1:Can I ask you permission on behalf of myself and the listeners. Okay, I would like to make this a little bit more engaging. Oh, no, so we have a week between now and the next one.
Speaker 2:Oh Lord.
Speaker 1:I will, either yes or no, do it. You tell me, and I think our listeners could do it too. Would you be opposed to me doing some research on the other one, because I think you and I have different theories on how these do and we'll have like a really good discussion at the end on similarities and differences.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 1:So you're going to talk about the flesh pedestrian next week?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. So do you want me to stay blind and not do any research, or can I and our listeners educate ourselves on the similarities? And differences so that we could have more of a debate at the end.
Speaker 2:I'm going to leave that up to you guys. Okay, yeah, I'm going to leave that up to you guys. If I were you, I would just want to listen, and I don't want to fucking do research if I don't have to.
Speaker 1:But if you want to, I'll tell you this. I am the only thing I'm going to look up, because I have a working theory in my head. I want to look up at least a couple sources that fight my confirmation bias so that we can have a spirited discussion about it next week. Okay, cool, cool, cool. Is this where we leave the Wendy's and the Fleshy's from?
Speaker 2:I mean, we are, I will. I really don't want to offend anybody because every article I was reading they were like people that don't have any right to know about these shouldn't talk about them. So I'm trying so hard not to offend people.
Speaker 1:I think you are totally fine.
Speaker 2:Okay. So yes, you guys do what you want. Zach's going to do his own research because he has theories, because he can't not have theories, because his brain never stops working. It's not a bad thing I can't turn it off.
Speaker 2:I can't turn it off so I think most of you are going to go in blind or with the uh thoughts, uh, that you already have. But if you do have some research or you have some thoughts, at least on the wendy boys, I would love to have you guys start talking to us about them now though, like when you listen to this, because that way, a whole week maybe, we can read some of your stories about the Wendy boys on the flesh pedestrian or play your voicemails or play your voicemails.
Speaker 2:So if you have any insight on this, if this is part of your culture and things like that, I would love you to love, for you to give me any more insight. Critique, that'd be nice.
Speaker 1:I'm doing my best. We have feelings.
Speaker 2:So everybody go sage. Hopefully I didn't say the word too much. I tried hard not to.
Speaker 1:I think you only did once or twice.
Speaker 2:Actually, you did pretty darn good, I think I said it more than I should have, but it's okay, we don't allow that energy around us. Okay, okay, we don't allow it.
Speaker 1:So with that, is it time to close the shop. It is time to close the shop. So all I have to say is this then okay, you don't have to when to go home, but you can't stay here oh, thank you, I'll be here all week.
Speaker 2:Let's leave the ice cube emoji and a heart, because they have like ice for hearts.
Speaker 1:Oh, just like you, perfect. I love those emojis.
Speaker 2:All right, we're going to wrap it up. We love you, we appreciate you and we will see you next week for part two. Part two, part two but yeah, do all the things that we just asked and, uh, the most important thing you can do for us is to be safe from wendy boys and creep a real you little eyeballs goodbye.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I'm at the IRE shop. The door's always open. I'm at the IRE shop.
