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E.A. Koetting: Online "Magician" Influencer Incites Murder and Mayhem
Welcome To The Oddity Shop, Where The Bizarre is Always on Sale. This week, your curator Kara is talking about Internet Influencers, Summoning Demons...and MUDER
Could the allure of dark magic lead one down a dangerous path? We explore this chilling curiosity with a look into the life of EA Koetting, a figure enshrined in controversy within the occult community.
Our conversation takes a solemn turn as we remember Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman, whose celebration turned into tragedy, prompting us to question the broader implications of sinister influences.
Koetting's narrative blurs the lines between cult leader and con artist. We scrutinize the challenges faced in holding such figures accountable and ponder the role of media platforms in spreading potentially harmful ideologies.
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I want to dance with the moment At the IA shop, Baked in the moonlight At the IA shop. Creep through the graveyard To the IA shop. The door's always open At the IA shop. Welcome back to the Oddity Shop. All you lovely oddball boys and gals. This is the podcast where we tell you creepy, odd, weird, strange, bizarre stories from around the globe. I am sitting here with the most amazing, best human on this planet. Oh my god, other than my mom, kara the Curator. How are you, kara the Curator? I'm great.
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Speaker 2:Like you couldn't feel guilty because you had no choice.
Speaker 1:No, I literally just laid there.
Speaker 2:I don't remember what I was telling you like last night, but you said something. You're like, how do you find all the time? Because I don't even remember what I told you I was doing. You're like, how do you find the time? And I was like that sentence that you sent me validated me so hard Because I'm like I'll be thinking I'm failing over here, I can't get nothing done, Nothing.
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Speaker 1:There you go um so surprise again, another cliffhanger I just said assholes.
Speaker 2:All right, I don't really have much to say except for, I think, this recording we are March 13th. I think this episode is, if I'm calculating correctly, okay, correct which means yes, which means we have like pretty much a month or so before our a month and a week before our event.
Speaker 1:So while you're all listening to this. I'm going to be at the Dixon Dallas concert today. I'm so excited for gay country. Okay, so anyway, yeah you're saying less than or just over a month to the event.
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Speaker 1:Well, I got nothing else. You ready to open the shop? Sure, let's do it after I sip my tea. Okay, while you sip your tea, I'm going to demand that you have a question for me, or else I'm not opening the shop today. Doors are staying shut, no sales.
Speaker 2:Okay, has anyone made you do something that you didn't want to do? And, let's be real, that's a rhetorical question. Has anyone made you do something that you didn't want to do? And let's be real, that's a rhetorical question. Yeah, because, of course, at one point we've all been influenced to buy something or change our hair or our style.
Speaker 1:I'd like to say I'm like a recovering people, pleaser. So the amount of times I've done that, yeah.
Speaker 2:An influence. You'd probably expect to be like under TikToker in the dictionary. But nay, nay, to be like under tiktoker in the dictionary, but nay, nay, uh. Influence, for those that don't know is the act or power of producing an effect without apparent exertion or force or direct exercise of command. Okay, so in modern use the noun typically refers to the power to change or affect someone or something, especially the power to cause changes without directly forcing those changes to happen. So I have a second question for you. Okay, do you think someone could convince you to do something morally wrong like now? I'm saying now not let you know, we've all done bad things because people told us to peer pressure and all, but is alcohol involved?
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, you seem to talk into doing stupid shit after a few drinks.
Speaker 1:So I'll say I would say, yeah, you know honestly, yeah, with knowing what I know about language and how people use it, I feel like I'd be a little bit better. But people can be damn influencing yeah.
Speaker 2:It's our world.
Speaker 1:Truly.
Speaker 2:Okay, Now if you said or did something that then influenced someone to go and do something morally wrong, would you care?
Speaker 1:Like if I made somebody do it no.
Speaker 2:Let's just say you just like said something. Maybe you didn't directly like tell somebody to go do something, but you just said something whatever that then influenced somebody to go and do this morally wrong thing. Gotcha, would you care.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I would. I feel like I have a bit of a guilty conscience at times, so it would definitely it would get at me. Yeah, that's a triple threat question too. Nicely done.
Speaker 2:OK, I have another one, oh my triple threat question too.
Speaker 1:Nicely done, okay, I have another one. Oh my god, is this? Because every time you don't have one prepared to make, you think of it on the spot.
Speaker 2:So now you're like no, okay, so you would feel guilty. Now, this person did something morally wrong. Do you think that you should be held responsible?
Speaker 1:oh okay, I'm gonna say most times yes because like uh, can you just answer the question and shut your pie hole? Yes, yes, you should be held responsible. I am getting excited.
Speaker 2:Oh, you always think you should be held responsible Like you didn't do anything though.
Speaker 1:Comes down to intent Just think about it.
Speaker 1:I don't have to. I don't have to. It comes down to intent that person intended to make the other person act. Yes, you should absolutely 100% of the time, be held if you didn't mean to. I think you have to look at that as a case-by-case basis. So like if I told you to go step on a frog and you stepped on that frog, absolutely my fault, okay. If I said, oh, I really hate frogs and then you went and stepped on the frog and I didn't intend to make you do it, I I think that you have to look at case by case.
Speaker 2:I don't know where frogs came from, but okay, I I don't know if you know what we're actually getting into. I think, oh, I think I might know what you think it is, but you okay, okay, but what it doesn't, I'm excited either way, yeah okay, so there is a disclaimer. This one gets dark. I know we talk about a lot of dark stuff. I try to keep it as not dark, but we're going to get depressing here. All right, matthew Lawrence have you heard of him?
Speaker 1:Oh, ok, not the story that I thought it was.
Speaker 2:I think I knew what you were talking about.
Speaker 1:I don't think I know this one yet, but OK, you might OK. I still love these kind of stories.
Speaker 2:So what about EA Coetting? Have you heard of him? Okay, so I've heard his name pronounced multiple different ways. Some people say Ketting, some people say Coetting, but most pronounce it Coetting, so I'm going to go with that, what's?
Speaker 1:it spelled K-O-E-T-T-I-N-G.
Speaker 2:Cool, all right. So for those that have not, he is American self-styled occultist and author, and I will read you what Google Books about the author from 2011 says, and it reads this EA Coetting has invested over a dozen over a dozen years. Why did I just glitch y'all? I'm sorry, this is going to be hard to get through today.
Speaker 1:Try again.
Speaker 2:Send the vibes to your girl. He's invested over a dozen years studying the mysteries of the occult and their practical applications. He has spent the last decade teaching and guiding others in their ascent. Coetting is the author of several books on the esoteric and has, over the past few years, risen as a leader of the practical spirit. You know, I can't say that word spirituality.
Speaker 1:Spirituality.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Movement Coetting has appeared nationally on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory and other syndicated and internet radio shows, to name a few, and I'm not gonna name them all because I don't care. Uh, amazon review um is, they took like more of like the sabrina carpenter approach. Short and sweet, I just can't get into her I think she's cute.
Speaker 2:Uh, you're about to learn secrets most people will never know about godlike power. Unlock the black magic of best-selling author eo e. Oh my god. Ea co-edding's entire collection of cult classic grimoires available for the first time ever in paperback and kindle. Can you pathwork every grimoire? Oh my god, I can't fucking speak today. In the complete works of ea co-editing wow, he's an accomplished dude well, uh.
Speaker 2:So speaking of himself, he states I grew up in a mormon household. I've always had a push towards the spiritual and supernatural. We would read these scriptures every night, and as we would read about these prophets and the miracles they would perform, I always kind of wanted to look behind it and say, okay, well, how did they do that? What was their method?
Speaker 1:Oh, so he's like he wants to expose magicians, sort of deal.
Speaker 2:Additionally, ea is an influencer of fuckery, and that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1:I think that is the one of the best titles I've ever heard.
Speaker 2:Thanks he. If you look at him or look at videos of him, he is like in my mom's basement dwelling trash pig.
Speaker 1:Again my opinion.
Speaker 2:Anyway, he has like 25 books and or grimoires I couldn't even find the exact amount, but he's got a lot and along with his books, he offers courses on and consultations, merch insight through social media and podcasts. And then, just to give you kind of like an insight, like on some stats, he had 128,000 followers on Facebook, 87,000 followers on YouTube. This is in like 2020. And that's like that is a big amount of people to be sharing insights with. In one of his YouTube videos, viewed more than 17,000 times, he says, and I quote when you destroy the victim, there is a release, a massive explosion of power and energy. If you can harness that and push it towards a goal, it's powerful beyond most other forms of magic. It's the blackest magic, without a doubt.
Speaker 1:Oh, so he's doing like dark magic shit.
Speaker 2:Do we know who?
Speaker 1:the? What kind of victim? Sorry, I have so many questions.
Speaker 2:Don't worry, though, because he does add a clause in there. Sorry, I have so many questions. Don't worry, though, because he does add a clause in there, um, basically to advocate for, like, not harming anyone. But in that clause it says to cover myself legally. Like it's not even, like, hey, I don't promote killing people, it's just that it's just to cover myself legally. Is what he put in there? Like, you did that Okay.
Speaker 1:I might have more of an idea of who this guy is what A shit dick. Okay, go on. I actually I might know of him. Okay, well, he's a shit dick. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So, however, one of his books describes how to murder another person with a knife in a ritual sacrifice Okay. Another suggests that you study the terrorist handbook, because this provides practical guidance on how to kill another person. Then that's an exact quote.
Speaker 1:Wonder where this is going.
Speaker 2:So in a Fox 13 interview, ea explains that his black magic he teaches can be violent, selfish and dangerous. Another quote from this POS is I don't care what you use it for, I don't care if you use these curses to kill people or to kill cancer, doesn't matter to me. Cool, cool, cool, cool doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 1:Cool, cool, cool, cool.
Speaker 2:Okay that I that those two sentences just say so much about him as a human being. Um, okay, so enough about this dirtbag influencer or whatever he calls himself magician bullshit, okay. So on june 5th 2020, bibaiba Henry and her sister Nicole Smallman headed to Freyent I think it's how you say it country park in London, and they were meeting friends and family to celebrate Biba's 46th birthday. So, due to COVID restrictions, because that was 2020. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:I was thinking that, yeah, june was early in too.
Speaker 2:So that was kind of the perfect place. Do it in a park, hang out after their like outdoor picnic. That's kind of what they did is picnic after their outdoor picnic. And it kind of got late, friends and family they left and it was kind of late when they left. So Biba and Nicole stayed. Biba and Nicole stayed and at 1.05 am Biba sent a text to her boyfriend stating that the two were doing the most wholesome thing ever. They were dancing in a field.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Isn't that so cute, like two sisters just dancing around in a field. I kind of love it.
Speaker 1:I love it too. It's like mid 40s.
Speaker 2:So she's 46 and her younger sister was 26 or 7.
Speaker 1:Still, fun, it's just so fucking cute.
Speaker 2:So at 115 pictures, the show that the two were playing with they kept saying fairy lights and when I looked it up, some say it was like christmas lights, but I think it might have been those string lights yeah, it's like those string lights with leds that you have camping. Yeah so I think they were playing with those, which is even more fucking wholesome that they're just dancing in a field, just them two playing with fucking fairy lights. I love it. I already gave a disclaimer.
Speaker 2:So we, we know we're we, we know that they never came home yeah, I mean, I think, even without the disclaimer, the little bit at the beginning here the two were reported missing on june 6th and the family and friends of both of them were informed that the police would head out and they would get leads on. You know, the girls were about to do whatever, but sadly this actually never happened. Oh, wow, and I'm not quite sure what. I don't know what the holdup was. I'm not really sure. But not wanting to waste any more time, nicole's boyfriend, adam Stone, his parents and then a friend of Biba's started their own kind of search, and so, on June 7th, they headed back to the park. So after locating their sunglasses or a pair of sunglasses, adam stumbled upon the girls under a tree line. Glasses or a pair of sunglasses, adam stumbled upon the girls under a tree line. No, 27 year old nicole smallman and 46 year old biba henry were found lifeless, being stabbed 8 and 28 times like one was stabbed 8, the other 28, damn, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, this is, I'm gonna say, a crime of passion. Okay, why, if one of them is stabbed that many times and the other one isn't, they were like the main victim.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1:That's my guess.
Speaker 2:No, that makes sense All right. So that's all horrifying and it's awful, and you know.
Speaker 1:Say no more.
Speaker 2:This part, though, we can appreciate. About a month after the murders, a DNA sample was linked by police and we this is I just be loving dna. Okay, so it was linked by police. Um, and it was linked to a past conviction. Did your light just turn on?
Speaker 1:they turn off automatically at nine o'clock, so I have to turn them back on that scared me and you're just sitting there so calm.
Speaker 2:I'm like did your lights just turn off and on and you're just sitting there everything's fine, cara.
Speaker 1:Pay no attention to the lights so funny.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, so the dna was linked to a past conviction, so that's cool. You know it's like you love that shit. All right, so this brought the police to the hussein residence. They proceeded to raid the home. Okay, so on July 1st 2020, 19 year old Daniel Hussein was arrested.
Speaker 1:I remember hearing about these two and some of the story, but I didn't connect it to the first guy. Now I'm very excited.
Speaker 2:So his father? No, you're not excited. Excited as you can be for a murder story, uh his father's past crime was actually the dna that was linked then from the knife that was actually left at the crime scene. Say that again. Okay, so they. Their past conviction was daniel's dad and his dna was linked to the knife that was at the crime scene. So that's how they linked it.
Speaker 1:It was just because his dad was already in the system.
Speaker 2:They linked it to this house. Just because his dad was already in the system, they linked it to this house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they found like a family member. Okay.
Speaker 2:So familial DNA, baby Always solving some crimes.
Speaker 1:I can't wait.
Speaker 2:I'm still waiting for my goddamn DNA and I want to solve a crime. I want to be part of an unsolved murder or some dumb shit.
Speaker 1:You're're gonna like figure out like your favorite family member is a murderer or something that would happen on your fam I'll be okay with it.
Speaker 2:That's so disturbing, okay? Um, a little bit about this fuck bag, another fuck bag. So, at just 15, daniel was monitored by the consent from October 2017 to May 2018. And the consent, the con. Oh my God, it's not the consent.
Speaker 1:I think you're waiting for me to give you the word, but I don't know. I've been trying to figure it out since you said consent I don't know why it's called the contest.
Speaker 2:I don't know why I said consent, but anyway, this was founded after 9-11 and it's the United Kingdom's counterterrorism strategy. Okay, so he was actually put on this monitoring because on his school computer he had accessed far-right material and norse mythology so just just stuff that he shouldn't have been looking up on. A fucking school norse mythology get too flagged. Well, I think that. And it was just a bunch of other shit, you know, okay. So three days before the murder, cctv showed Daniel purchasing knives and candles at a local supermarket. And then, over the next 10 days after the murder, daniel spent $203. Cents on lottery tickets and bets. Okay, so here's where we get more fucked up. During the police raid, officers found a handwritten agreement, and I'm going to read it to you.
Speaker 1:Can we just like go back to one thing real quick before?
Speaker 2:the agreement. Yeah, you tell me whatever you'd like to.
Speaker 1:Okay, chat away If your father is either still in jail or was in jail or did something with the crime where he's in the system why would he never also commit the?
Speaker 2:crime and then leave the dna with, like the, the knife at the scene yeah, and I couldn't find what his dad did, and I couldn't even find his dad's name, it kept just saying his father. So I was trying to see what the. I was just curious because, yeah, what like to get in the system? I don't know, I feel like you have to have like I don't know it had to be significant but like here's if your dad has literally been booked.
Speaker 2:You have to be careful yeah, and I, I mean he's fucking 19, he's an idiot, idiot, okay. So this is. I'm gonna kind of explain. So the top center of this paper is it's written and it says agreement, okay. Under that it says for the mighty king lucifuge rofi kale. And then it's like bulleted okay, these are the bullets. Perform a minimum of six sacrifices every six months for as long as I am free and physically capable. Sacrifice only women. Build a temple for you. Do everything that I have promised. And then under that is, it says for me. And then some more bullets. And then in those bullets it says win the mega million Super Jackpot to receive fruitful rewards in return for the future sacrifice I make to you. The rewards could consist of wealth and power, to never be suspected of any crimes by the police, and also that the police will never know of any crimes that I have done and that I will do. And then it is signed in blood Daniel.
Speaker 1:This guy's like the dumbest criminal ever. Ok, first of all, what are you going to do? Deny that you made the agreement. You wrote it in your own DNA, and you're also busted buying the knife on camera, and then the lottery tickets Can you imagine his lawyer is like you would just look at those three things ago. You're fucked. Can you imagine his?
Speaker 2:lawyer is like you would just look at those three things and go you're fucked. So, according to the occultistnet, lucifuge Rofakel is a pivotal figure in the occult world, associated with wealth, earthly pleasures and forbidden knowledge. As such, he is often summoned to for obtaining these fine things, is often summoned for obtaining these fine things. Lucifuge is also considered by some to be the darker aspect of Lucifer, as his interests are tied to earthly rather than celestial affairs. Lucifuge is often depicted as the prime minister to the international nope, to the infernal monarchy, serving directly under Lucifer. He manages the government of the demonic realm, exercising power over its wealth and treasures.
Speaker 2:In some interpretations, he is considered the antithesis of the archangel Raphael, a figure of healing and light, and then he is known for his dominion over worldly goods, granting riches and material abundance to those who summon him correctly. However, these gifts come with a price, often requiring a pact sign in the magician's blood, symbolizing the spiritual bond formed between the summoner and the demon, and his origins can be traced back to the grimoire named Le Dragon Rouge or the Red Dragon, that was published in the 19th century. It's actually also commonly known as the Grand Grimoire. It is divided into two books, and the first one contains instructions for summoning a demon, for the construction of tools with which to force the demon to do one's bidding I have so much to say on that, but let's go let me hear you.
Speaker 2:You don't even want to right.
Speaker 1:It's like one of those the 22nd thing is like what, what? What type of delusion sorry for the stuttering what type of delusion must you live in where you think you can make a deal with the devil, basically, and then also control it? To do you're not going to control the demon. You ain't gonna win that game, baby here's the thing.
Speaker 2:I very much think that you can summon a demon I think you can absolutely summon one I don't think you're gonna get what you fucking want to get, though you can try to get though.
Speaker 1:You can try to bargain. You ain't going to control that.
Speaker 2:Let me just tell you that the amount of times I just said his name, and even every time I thought his name as I was typing and researching, I was thinking that I might be accidentally summoning him and I was like getting a little little sketched out.
Speaker 1:Time to do a little cleansing.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I know, but yeah, I don't know how you'd think that this is going to work in your favor, you stupid little boy.
Speaker 1:Said it pretty damn good.
Speaker 2:Okay, so further into the murder investigation, it was found that Daniel was part of a satanic themed internet forum called Becoming a Living God themed internet forum called becoming a living god. Becoming a living god is a company belonging to drum roll, our original douchebag co-edding. So in this forum, daniel alleged he was a psychic vampire and asked for advice about demonic packs. He stated he oh my God, and he asked for advice about demonic packs. He also stated in this forum that he learned his first ever spell from co-edding.
Speaker 1:Oh, a little bit of butt kissing some brown nosing Mm.
Speaker 2:Hmm, oh, a little bit of butt kissing some brown nosing. He was apparently part of this forum at this point for like at least two years, logging countless hours in activity Like he. He was always up in there like asking questions, like putting his commentary in there. Just a little fucker, okay. So Coetting's advice in his grimoires on this forum and his videos is always to include in your pact the attainment of wealth. Use your sorcery to become wealthy. Money is power, and who could forget that wonderful quote from the start of the episode when you destroy the victim, there is a release, a massive explosion of power and energy. If you can harness that and push it towards a goal, it's powerful beyond most other forms of magic. Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:Can't we just stick to like money bowls and manifesting? Do we really have to go the whole like demon winning the mega millions route?
Speaker 2:There's gotta be easier ways go the whole like demon winning the mega millions route. There's gotta be easier ways. I, yeah, I mean I guess like why, why do you? Yeah, why do you have to summon a demon? Like, theoretically, you could be doing not black magic and you can still be trying to like, yeah, win the lottery, like if that's all you wanted was to win the fucking lottery, I'm sure sure you could do that Not with a demon.
Speaker 1:At least start to try something else first.
Speaker 2:but I just, I mean, it's mind blowing. You know, truly, what are we going to do? Okay, I guess I just don't, even, I don't have any words, nevermind. I was going to say I'm like it's, there's nothing to even fucking say about this, douchebags. Okay. So Professor Matthew Feldman said some of Coetting's work could amount to incitement to murder and he stated one book that he has, works of Darkness, describes how to murder another person with a knife and a ritual sacrifice with a knife and a ritual sacrifice. Another book, apex of Eternity, advises people to study the terrorist handbook and provides practical guidance on how to kill another person. This is the best example I have come across of someone saying this is what you must do to become strong, powerful, rich. He has 87,000 followers on YouTube. Oh my god. 87,000 followers on YouTube. Oh my God. 87,000 YouTube subscribers, 128,000 on Facebook. If 0.1% of people take that seriously, as Daniel Hussain clearly did, and think this is what I have to do to become famous, that's 200 potential murderers.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And you think, oh, that's such a small percentage when you break down the numbers. Holy crap, 200 potential murderers. Yeah, like anything. Oh, that's such a small percentage when you break down the numbers, holy crap, 200 potential murderers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, having a podcast. I'm terrified of offending somebody and this lunatic is out here like promoting murder to thousands and thousands of people.
Speaker 1:It's amazing, like people like him, or the teal swans, the cult leaders of the world, the colloidal silver lady whose name is Amy Carlson All of them are doing this through YouTube.
Speaker 2:It's just mind blowing.
Speaker 1:It's insane.
Speaker 2:So in court Detective Chief Inspector Simon Harding said Daniel had acted like a belligerent child Cause he is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's shown complete disrespect to the court system, turning his back on the judge, trying to stare out the family and laugh and snicker and sticking up loser signs oh my god he has behaved like a teenage boy, but he has committed some of the most savage crimes we have seen for many years and one of the biggest police investigations we have had in a very, very long time. I firmly believe he would have carried out his contract. He would have carried on killing women until he had killed his first six If he had not won the lottery by that stage. Every six months is what he said. He is where he should be and he will be there for a very, very long time, even though he is only 19,. He is a very, very dangerous individual.
Speaker 1:I know I was giving him shit for being stupid and getting caught so easily earlier, but also, when you're that terrible of a human being, honestly good for him for not thinking about his dad being booked and leaving the weapon, because had he not been such a stupid criminal, right, god only knows how bad this would have been. So here's the thing this is.
Speaker 2:It should have been worse, and I say that because he did intend to kill six people. He didn't admit that. But what happened was and this is why the knife most likely got left he got injured during this attack of the two girls, and he got so badly injured that he actually went to the emergency room and said he got mugged. So he would have continued on that night had he not had to go to the emergency room.
Speaker 1:Was it one of the two girls who injured him?
Speaker 2:Or he accidentally probably stabbed himself like stabbed his, cut his hand. I think you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I could absolutely see that.
Speaker 2:I want to say he cut himself because I think he had to get stitches. I'm pretty sure. But I think that, no, I know that he probably would have killed more if he found them because remember this was a, they said they. They probably were murdered around like 2 30 in the morning. So if he found anybody else I'm sure a woman out and about he would have done it, but because he got injured small he couldn't stabbing right absolutely so.
Speaker 2:I don't think he really meant to leave the sunglasses, because sunglasses had their blood on it, but I don't think he meant to just leave those and the knife, like. That wasn't intentional, it was just. I think that he's like fuck it, he drug their bodies to under some tree like a tree line as best as he could in that time and then he had to fucking go get fixed up, little fucker, okay. So fox 13 tried to get in contact with co-edding to hear what he had to say about the murders where does he?
Speaker 1:live uh utah I was gonna say he's american, right I I briefly heard about this, like I don't remember the details, but as you're telling me it sounds super familiar. I may have read about this when it happened.
Speaker 2:Listen he is disgusting looking like. I'm telling you, even if you didn't, if I didn't know anything about him and I saw him, I would. He is like just a piece of shit, like he's just gross, and he's always fucking just smoking cigarettes, like always just blowing smoking a can. He is disgusting. I look him up really quick.
Speaker 1:I know where I heard about him, wasn't it briefly, on an episode of Haunted Objects, on their curses, one I don't know, I think they didn't go into as much detail as you are by any means, but they did talk about him. Maybe.
Speaker 2:When you hit Google images, it doesn't even show him, it's just all his book he's, he's gross and he's literally always just like in a fucking basement or something like his little dungeon-y room like doing podcasts. If you watch interviews of him and just listening to talk and shit he is oh, I'm sure that vile ew ew yeah, no, I'm looking at pictures of him right now.
Speaker 2:He is super gross if you watch videos of him too, he's always wearing just like a wife beater and just like yeah, he just looks trashy. Yes, I didn't want to say that, but he was very. That's a good. I'll say it Okay.
Speaker 2:So investigative reporter Adam Herberts traveled to Utah to try and get an interview and he stated that he thought that Coedding would be willing to talk because he's all over all kinds of social media platforms, podcasts he's talking openly about his beliefs and godlike abilities. He's always talking about how he's a god and he advertises becoming a god and all this bullshit. So they actually really thought that he would talk, because he's so willing to talk. All the other times he like, denied all their calls and attempts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he wants to control the narrative. I bet, like if he's talking on YouTube, you can talk as much as you want without somebody being on the other side.
Speaker 2:It's crazy, though he does like four hour podcasts where he just rants about all of this shit, how he's like amazing god, like, oh my god, I can't. Uh, they even went to his door and it's like painted like red and it's like kind of like the outline is like black and it's just like shittily painted. But on top it has like add, like your, address numbers. Yeah, but it's not his address, but the address numbers on the top of his door are six, six, of course, like you're.
Speaker 1:So fucking stupid.
Speaker 2:We all knew right where that was going it's kind of funny because this one interview which will be linked um from this, the investigative reporter, adam, was like taught telling him this, and then I remember what the guy's name was, but he's like so kind of basically like dogging him but basically being like so if he has all, like does his house look like he has, he's wealthy, like he's advertising that he has godlike power and all this wealth and stuff and he kind of like adam's just like uh like he didn't want to say, like no, like there's no reason, like, yes, this man has money because he's exploiting everybody to pay him for things, but like he doesn't have like this abundance of wealth from right the fucking, like he doesn't have like this abundance of wealth from right, the fucking devil.
Speaker 1:He would have the mega millions money if he knew how to get mega millions money. Yeah, fucking piece of shit.
Speaker 2:So Adam had interviewed Rick Allen Ross, who is the founder and executive director of the nonprofit Cult Education Institute. Ok, ok, I think we're kind of all thinking at this point that he is like a cult leader, like he has like a cult following right, like he's got all the ingredients for it.
Speaker 1:Sure yeah.
Speaker 2:So Rick uh has been researching cults for about 30 years and surprisingly, he doesn't think co-edding is a cult leader and he said. Well, in my opinion, he comes across as a con man.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What I see is a salesman, an actor. He's costumed, he wears makeup and he's basically trying to project an attractive, magnetic image so he can pull people in and then make money off of them, Like it's just.
Speaker 1:It's like snake oil on steroids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, co-heading is bullshit. However, oh my god, sorry, I'm getting a cramp in my foot. It's curling up so bad. I just messed up that line, so I'm going to start over. I just messed up that line, so I'm going to start over. So, thankfully, youtube and Facebook have removed all of Coedding's bullshit. However, his books are still available for sale on Amazon.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, yeah, I could see YouTube cleaning up his shit but I could also definitely not see Amazon getting rid of some of that stuff. So yeah, rick said they should be policing their platforms and I hope Amazon will take action as soon as possible. That's a scary thing. How do you monitor your kids and make sure that they're not connecting with someone like Coetting? But what can you do about someone like Coetting? You cannot arrest him for his beliefs. These people are deeply disturbed, very easily influenced, and then they come into the orbit of someone like Coetting, who then becomes their ignition point and let me just reiterate, influence the power to cause changes without directly forcing those changes to happen. So I will ask you again do you think that co-edding should be held responsible for these murders?
Speaker 1:Comes down to intent earlier. Like I said, he literally says I don't care what happens to people, that sort of thing. I don't see how he is not charged with a manslaughter in this or an accessory to murder or something is not. He didn't get anything I wonder if the death would have happened on american soil, if it would have been different.
Speaker 1:I thought that because it makes me think of, like um crumbly right, the school shooter whose parents, at least mom, I don't think dad's been sentenced yet, or if he did, I fell off watching that case, but she got, was it? It was um third degree manslaughter or something like. I don't know my law well enough, but even though she didn't actually pull the trigger, they enabled the situation.
Speaker 2:That, yeah, you know yeah, yeah it's, it's just crazy and it's like it's hard, because you do have the ability of free speech and you can say what you want, like you and I can talk about our beliefs and what we think and our opinions and things like that and like this. You know, this quote was just yeah, but what do you do? Because you can't arrest him for his beliefs and just because he's saying he believes this and that and doesn't care, he's never murdered anybody, he's never done any of these things that we know of, but he's never done any of this. He didn't say hey, you, daniel, go do this. And you know that was like.
Speaker 2:Another argument is that they don't think that these two people have actually ever met or really been in contact with each other other than just like the forums, with all his followers. So it's like he didn't directly talk to Daniel and say it's just crazy. I guess that is true. I don't know. I think something should be he should be held accountable for something, or his book should be like banned or something like that, like it's just. But then it's like okay, so do you? Then he could just play that these are not, these are just fake books, like they're not like, they're just books. Like do you go and read?
Speaker 1:I don't know it's so tough to call yeah I. I can see why he wasn't charged right.
Speaker 2:Not that I would agree with it, but yeah me too, it's a very tough case.
Speaker 1:Um, I think it comes down to and it's like so fucking cliche I know, but the quote you know, with great power comes great responsibility. When you are in a position of power, whether it's an online influence or whether you're in politics, whether you literally lead a team at work, right, like you have to know that the words you say have consequence, whether it's an order you're giving or not you're having. Like you have to think about the outcome of the language that you use. And it sounds like for him it really aligned with his values and goals, all that kind of stuff. But like God, god.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess it's just like you know, even you and I were like, okay, so we're going to start this podcast, like we could potentially, you know, have hundreds of people listening to us or, you know, hope one day thousands of you guys, but you know, we're going to say some dumb things that are going to offend people and it's going to be upset, and that was always been our fears. Like we don't want to intentionally do that, but like, like you said, you have to be mindful of that if you have any sort of platform and I think that is crazy, especially like nowadays like influencer, influencers that's an actual job now. It never used to be a job, it is an actual job. And like, think of all these people that straight up marketing job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's like and I'm not saying it's a bad job, I'm just saying it's now a job. It never used to be. But, like some of these influencers, we watch them get like you know, know, canceled and things like that, for things that they do in the say and they say and you're like, wow, like they probably didn't mean it that way or like this, but this is crazy like you, like you said yeah, this is direct.
Speaker 2:I don't care what you do, if you kill somebody or try to kill cancer I don't really care.
Speaker 1:This is one who needs to be canceled for sure it's for sure.
Speaker 2:It's wild to me that the books are still available like they just shouldn't be like. I think that's the very least. Your book shouldn't be available like 100, so I don't want to like skim too much over our poor victims, um, but I mean so were they just random victims then that he just saw in the park?
Speaker 2:yep, and it happened to be like two girls and he or two women, and you know that's what he said. He's only gonna kill women and they happen to be there, gotcha, I think. Uh, because they couldn't really get a much out of him. He, he pledged that he had asperger's and he can't remember things. That's what he said, so he couldn't remember.
Speaker 1:But basically they thought that he was just I'm sure that's the only thing his lawyer could spin you remember what I said earlier?
Speaker 2:Right Basically it was just like they thought he was in the park saw that the family was kind of leaving one by one and it was just the two girls left and you know, it just kind of unfortunately worked out. But obviously their lives were taken way too soon and it's so sad and Be they. Their lives were taken way too soon and so sad and Biba was actually a social worker and she was, like you know, working so hard for, like, children that you know, just had unjust families and situations. And Nicole was a photographer, which I think is probably why they were out with fairy lights dancing. Yeah, pictures, you know, just doing like a birthday photo shoot, something you would know about.
Speaker 2:I know it's just really sad and it's their mother is just so awful, because it's like how do you? You're never supposed to bury your child and she had to bury two out of her three at the same time, like it's just horrifying, um but I this guy sitting over in utah gets his what's coming oh, he's going to for sure the karma is gonna fucking kill that man because he probably doesn't even feel bad about this, because he's going to for sure.
Speaker 2:The karma is gonna fucking kill that man because he probably doesn't even feel bad about this, because he's in his delusion. He did nothing wrong, he has nothing to do with this, and I think that's like. That's what really pisses me off about this is, like you know, not to go back to it, but yeah, we're all influencers nowadays. Let's just try to be careful and be kind and no matter what you believe, I don't know, it's up and with that we've had over 100 and some episodes almost 130.
Speaker 1:at this point, if we have said something, we apologize Also.
Speaker 2:just let me know.
Speaker 1:Seriously, we would be open to growth. We are always ready to learn more, so if we've ever done anything to offend or could use a different word, we would like to change, so let us know.
Speaker 2:So yeah, with that, I just thought this week I'd bring you all the horrible things murder, demons, cults and influencers. Just kidding.
Speaker 1:Influencers, You're not horrible. I didn't even catch that at first. No, that was really. There's a lot jam packed in there.
Speaker 2:I could have went so much farther. There was even just like a quick side note. This is fucking, fucking terrible and it makes me feel even worse for these poor uh, girl's mom or women's mother, her family.
Speaker 2:There was a botched investigation too yeah, it seemed like the family really figured everything out no, the when the bodies were found, the police officers and I didn't really look too much into this because I was just like already disgusted with this whole thing but the police officers were taking pictures of the dead bodies and sending it through like a WhatsApp service to people and making fun of it and like saying that they look like dead fish or something like dead, I don't even know. But so they got fucking fired. So not only did they not send out people to investigate in time, or like when they said they let the family and loved ones find the fucking bodies, and then when they got there to do the investigation, they had fucking idiot police officers that were actually taking pictures, making fun of the dead victims that's absolutely beyond horrible.
Speaker 1:It's fucked up.
Speaker 2:So anyway, wow, okay, I should have. I should have tried to find something lighter to end on, not something more fucked you know, we'll take it um, sorry guys that's a great job so lessons to be learned from this one?
Speaker 1:right, if you are influencing, yes, probably shouldn't do it with demons. Let's not make deals with demons. It's probably not going to go your way. And uh, we've got two prime examples here about how black magic doesn't help you win the lottery. So maybe just try some money bowls and manifestation.
Speaker 2:Okay, keep the knives out of it. That's what I'm thinking. You know, just put the good energy out to everybody else, and then you'll get that good energy back anyway. So there you go just give people a hug instead of a stab.
Speaker 1:I like that Hugs instead of stabs.
Speaker 2:Hugs instead of stabs. That can be our merch.
Speaker 1:Oh, I like that Also. It could be our emojis for this episode, that little hugging smiley and a knife yeah, I think that works perfectly.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 1:All right. So if you got this far, you know what emojis to leave. Okay, hey, we also, if you've made it this far, we have brought you a lot of bonus episodes with your write-ins and call-ins and we are getting darn low on our back stock we are. We need some milk. So phone numbers down in the show notes, the write-in hit our email down in the show notes. Go to the website. There's literally a box.
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