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Oddball Guests: Lauren Haunts, The Chamber, and Custom Paranormal Equipment
Welcome to a Very Special Episode of The Oddity Shop! This week we sit down with the equipment making, bad ass author, amazing researcher, Lauren Haunts!
Ever wondered if your beloved REM pod is working during your paranormal investigations? We'll take you behind the scenes with exciting updates, winded rabbit holes, and a tin foil hat party! Lauren doesn't just stop at REM pods; she shares her expertise on the diverse types of paranormal investigators and gives us a masterclass in equipment and the difference between scientific and personal theory!
Curious about the intersection of electrical engineering and ghost hunting? delve into the fascinating world of building custom paranormal tools. From proximity sensors to sensory deprivation chambers, we explore how innovation and community spirit come alive at Paracons. You'll hear personal paranormal experiences, touching on the exhilarating moments of first encounters and the joy of meeting influential figures like Dacre Stoker.
Unveil the mystical world of spirituality, witchcraft, and meditation as we discuss the challenges of publicly practicing witchcraft and the profound connection between mindfulness and paranormal sensitivity. Lauren's candid anecdotes about overcoming imposter syndrome, creating REM pods, and the camaraderie within the paranormal community will leave you inspired.
This episode is a rollercoaster of personal stories, expert insights, and a heartfelt celebration of the supernatural realm.
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I want to dance with the mothman At the Irish shop, baked in the moonlight At the Irish shop. Creep through the graveyard To the Irish shop. The door's always open At the Irish shop shop. The door's always open at the Oddity Shop. What's up everybody? Welcome back to the Oddity Shop. This is the podcast, where the bazaar is always on sale and we're here to tell you all about the creepy, weird, strange, paranormal stories from around the world. I am sitting here with the always lovely other curator of the shop here, cara, cara, how the hell are you doing today?
Speaker 2:I'm doing very great. How are you before I say something and then forget to ask how you're doing? How are you, zachary?
Speaker 1:oh, my gosh, you care about me. Today, I, I am doing absolutely fantastic. Um, I'm pretty sure you are too, because we're very excited. Okay, yes, but first, before we do that two, two things that we got to do first. Uh, reminder to everyone our phone lines are now open for your creepy paranormal stories. If you just want to call and leave us a little message, the phone number for that is 616-320-4935 and then tune in. Okay, so it is almost creepy month. This is the last episode for september, so next month we have four regular spooky episodes for you, a bonus and another surprise. So we got a lot of fun stuff coming for halloween. Of course we do. It's our favorite. It is our favorite. We have costumes. I know I'm gonna keep talking.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, kara take over because we got important shit to announce here.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I'm so excited because we have something special planned for this episode, so let's jump into opening the shop. And, truthfully, I feel special because we are so fortunate to have the beautiful, funny, most upbeat, adorable, sassy creator, innovator, author. I could go on forever. We have the beautiful, amazing Lauren Hulkson. In from Lauren Hahn. Oh, it's me that is you hello.
Speaker 3:I was like who else is here? I'm so good guys, I'm so happy that I get to be here with you guys you're happy, we're happy we could not be more thrilled, I think.
Speaker 1:Uh, we spent like 20 minutes before you joined uh like gushing about how excited we are, and then thankfully oh my god, I wish I would have known. I was just sitting here like waiting to get you had perfect timing of coming on, because we had just stopped like gushing and then being dorks hop popped in oh, you sent that and I was like, okay, like don't, don't seem too eager, don't get on right away.
Speaker 2:And so I like walked around, made myself coffee that's how we were, because we're like, well, should we get on? Like 15 minutes early, and zach's like I'm gonna get on right now, because what if she just like pops in early? I don't want her to feel left out and I'm like, okay, so we all could have just been on like 15 minutes. I know, I know, shame on me, oh, my gosh, all right. So we usually open the shop up with a question, like for each other, um, and instead of asking each other a question, we want to ask you one. What is the most overrated piece of paranormal investigating equipment that people rely on too much in your opinion? Oh, fuck, oh, I love that. This is a stumper.
Speaker 3:I know that's going to be a big one, that they okay. I mean I have one, but I'm trying to think if there's one that I think is more overrated than that.
Speaker 1:Give them both to us. Yeah, it's not perfect If you change your answer halfway through. We do that all the time too.
Speaker 2:I guess, what do you think that people rely on? Maybe too much? What piece of equipment?
Speaker 1:Oh, it's coming out, she's reaching for it.
Speaker 3:I'm going to get my own too, because I can't be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of figured you were going to say that everybody she's holding up REM pads.
Speaker 3:I kind of thought you would say that yeah, I would say, and it's not because I think it's a bad piece of equipment, I just don't think that they're utilized in the best way and they're used too much as is for, I think, the data. That's not very objective, but they could be used objectively. I just made a video about that, actually.
Speaker 2:So you did.
Speaker 1:Perfect, okay, I think that was a great answer.
Speaker 2:That was. We can share that video, okay. So I was like deep diving into you and so Tim Shaw explained in an interview with you that there are almost like three categories of investigators. So he said users of equipment, those that innovate, and then those that can cross, pollinate and use the knowledge of paranormal and science to innovate. And I think that last one very much summarizes you. I'm just, I'm wow you really dove deep.
Speaker 3:I want to know like did you find any like juicy stuff on me?
Speaker 2:Oh, I wasn't looking that hard. But you know what, when I leave here, I will.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Now it sounds like we know it's out there.
Speaker 3:I know I want to know if there's I want like juicy stuff.
Speaker 1:I want to know like.
Speaker 3:I want to know like rumors about me.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, that'll be a special follow-up. I don't know if you want to come back for that or we can just talk trash without you.
Speaker 3:I'll come back every day, if you want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be fun we should do an episode with. We should just read each other's hate comments and stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do have a couple on my YouTube, but I love hate comments. I love them so much because it's such a fun opportunity. Because, number one, I never take a hate comment personally Cause it's not. I mean, it's never about. It's never. It's not about me, it's really not. When you come and you give me a hate comment, it has nothing to do with me, boo. So I like want to be like what was your relationship like? Like with your mom?
Speaker 1:Oh my God, that's a great response.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. I usually just treat it like with kindness, Like wow, thank you so much for that observation. Like I'll really take that into account.
Speaker 2:Here's why you're wrong. Thanks for your opinion. Bye, no, I think our first one.
Speaker 1:That was like the first time we got over our like imposter syndrome a little bit. We're like did we make it? We got hate mail today. We got hate mail.
Speaker 3:today we got hate. Oh, oh, good, good, good, good.
Speaker 2:Oh no, we loved it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's amazing, that's amazing. I was all for it, oh yeah, I love getting like witchy hate mail too, because it's all like Satan-y stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh, and I'm like don't talk.
Speaker 3:Don't talk about my boyfriend like that. He's kind and generous.
Speaker 2:And this is why I love you so much Amazing.
Speaker 3:Well, while we could probably talk for like an hour about hate mail, I know I'm so sorry I will go off track and I'll just go.
Speaker 2:This is your episode, boo boo. We fully plan for that, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1:But before we get too far for our listeners who don't know about you, tell us a little bit about yourself. How did you end up here today? What's the story of Lauren?
Speaker 3:what's the story of lauren? Yeah, um, one day in oh actually, you know what, in 1985, there was a, a young lady in college I should, I should tell her that I'm telling this story and she had a one-night stand and she got pregnant and she was like oh, I don't want to keep this one. And so she put me up for adoption. I just wish you were a little more open and honest. So she put me up for adoption.
Speaker 1:I just wish you were a little more open and honest.
Speaker 3:So she put me up for adoption and these two other people were like I think we like want to adopt a baby and they were like, oh shit, and they got me.
Speaker 3:and they were like shit, no, they were not oh, I was riddled with health issues, so I was like a projectile vomiter. I was like, not, oh, I was riddled with health issues. Oh, so I was like a projectile vomiter. I had, like I like both of my um, I had like hip dysplasia on both hips and all this stuff. So they give them this like broken kid and they're like, oh, my god, oh god. But so then, 40 years later, no, not really, but I grew up in my mom was a teacher and my dad was a data processor for a hospital and my sister was like a sports star and I was a weirdo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like which is why we like you.
Speaker 3:Oh, like the the weirdest stories I have been told about myself it was like it was never really toys. It was like bring her home a box and she'll be fine. Like I was a cat and that's all right. So weird. And when I could start, like when my dexterity issue started coming in, I started taking things apart. So I'll jokingly be like I've been taking things apart for the better part of like 35 years, but probably only putting it back together for like the past 15.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I got in trouble for taking apart some stuff in the basement because I was like, oh, it's the basement, like I've seen Home Alone, the basement's free range, it's just junk. No, no, it wasn't junk, it was like my dad's haven and I was just like taking apart stuff and he was, oh god. So he started bringing home old computers for me to take apart too.
Speaker 2:That's amazing.
Speaker 1:That's a good dad that's also just like good hands-on learning experience he, yeah, he definitely was.
Speaker 3:Just like I'll just get you something real big, yeah, and you'll be at it for hours and you'll leave everybody alone and it'll be great, and then uh, yeah, we're all like that's a good dad.
Speaker 3:He was trying to like encourage it and he's like no, he was just like just give her, just give her a computer so she'll shut the hell up, and started doing stuff like that. And um, he had one of those big like rca camcorders I started getting really into like that's making vhs tapes around the house like the big over the shoulder one with like the boom mic on there, oh yeah oh yeah.
Speaker 3:So like pre-10 year old lauren, she was like making like ghost hunting docks and building shit. It's as big as you, that's. I was like doing what I'm doing now, it's pretty cool, but uh, then we're just gonna skip everything else.
Speaker 2:You know she's like thinking her timeline like what do I want to talk about?
Speaker 1:her entire life just flashed before her eyes.
Speaker 3:Well, I almost like I. I like I've said. I mean I've had some adhd issues and I was a very intelligent kid. I tested really well but like I almost flunked out of high school and I was like a troublemaker and the only good grades were like in art class and yeah you know and all that sort of stuff, and and then I, I tried college. No, I'm a college dropout, flunky and well technically for now right hopefully not anymore.
Speaker 3:So all this crazy stuff and there was a lot of turmoil in my family. They ended up like not really staying together. Everybody kind of went their separate ways. And so in 2004, I'm just this, like weirdo kid, I'm by myself living at home with my mom. She struggled pretty badly with like alcoholism and mental illness. And you know 2004, I'm graduating from high school and the debut of Ghost Hunters comes on the TV and I'm like on the sci-fi channel.
Speaker 1:Like this is it?
Speaker 3:Dude like this could be me. I didn't realize people did this like for a living, like people want to do this stuff, and that's kind of where it stemmed, like my big interest in the paranormal.
Speaker 1:I didn't have my first paranormal experience until I was like 24, though, oh, really that's kind of surprising that you got into the paranormal before a paranormal experience, because usually it's kind of flip-flopped my mom handed me a dean coons book there it is because my dad was like I'll give her a computer to keep her busy and my mom was like, if that doesn't work, we're just I'll just start around some like horror books and she'll just there you give
Speaker 3:yourself nightmares in a room and it'd be great. So I was always into like horror and spooky stuff and like the scary books and I bought, like I the Scholastic Book Fair. For some reason the Scholastic Book Fair had like Bram Stoker's Dracula and I still have my copy that I bought from the Scholastic Book Fair, had like Bram Stoker's Dracula and I still have my copy that I bought from the Scholastic Book Fair and I just met Dacre Stoker and I like cried because I'm like, yeah, it's one of my first like horror books.
Speaker 1:He was an amazing amazing, oh my God.
Speaker 3:Did you guys see him speak? Oh, yes, with him and Aaron, oh my God, it was incredible.
Speaker 2:He was just the cutest, most just adorable, friendly, like just amazing.
Speaker 3:I love it. And then when I found out that he was a teacher. I'm like I cried when I met him, cause my mom was a teacher and she passed away last year. And I'm like she would have just been so happy to meet you or to know that I met you, and I'm like crying, he's like I just I thought it was hilarious you hear a name dacre stoker and then he looks like a teacher with like a teacher with like creepy fun shirts like little baby, angel, I know not what you expected fully.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, we're totally obsessed with him I bought all of his books and then I bought his, like some of the scripts, I actually have have him sitting next to me. Oh yes, I yeah, I definitely I have those. And I thought it was so cute he had his family crest and he would sign it and he'd be like, in case you, you know, get another book, then you can put this in there, and it'll still be a signed one. And I was like that's so thinking ahead.
Speaker 1:You got addicted to the paranormal from some early books, and what Ghostbusters right. So from that you had your first ghost hunters, ghost hunters ghost hunters.
Speaker 3:I was like wait, did he just?
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean, yes, of course, ghostbusters Listen it's a low caffeine day for me, so from there, how do you get to where you're at and what you're doing now?
Speaker 3:Ghost hunters. And then I don't care what anybody says, we all watched ghost adventures 100, oh yeah also too early on ghost adventures like it wasn't bad, it was fantastic and and um ghost adventures, house calls is not that bad at all oh, I don't think I've actually watched that.
Speaker 1:There's so many iterations out there that I haven't watched House. Pulse is pretty good.
Speaker 3:The Haunted Museum Ghost Adventures is amazing, okay.
Speaker 2:I think I've watched a few of those.
Speaker 3:Eli Roth kind of creates like a little movie for different pieces that are in the museum. So it's all like. It's all basically like fan fiction, but it's pretty good.
Speaker 2:Okay, nevermind, I haven't watched that, but I'm going to.
Speaker 3:It's very entertaining, yeah, but it wasn't until I was like cause? I was like, oh okay, this is so cool, people do spooky stuff for a living, this is so awesome, you know, whatever. So of course, I'm absolutely obsessed with that and and that's also where I first saw, like Amy Bruni, this, this woman, that that wasn't like oh my God, like she was just like calm, cool, collected, she wasn't a psychic, she wasn't like there was nothing other than she's just this woman that knows what. And she's still like that too. And so there was that part as well and that's always so important, like the representation of women in the paranormal is so important.
Speaker 3:But not just that, but like diversity too, not just women, but seeing other ethnicities, seeing other walks of life, not just a whole bunch of like white people running around looking for ghosts, and but I digress Cause you know, ghost hunters didn't really have that much diversity, but they did have women, Thank goodness.
Speaker 1:True, true, true.
Speaker 3:But so I was like, I am definitely interested, but when you do your research in 2005, 2006, 2007, I mean, the there's no access to equipment. There is, um, no, no real way unless you like order something special from like Gary Galka himself, and the DOS REM pod was fairly new in 2004. So you're going to spend $200, $300 on it. And so it was just kind of like, well, let's see the tools that they were using, because they were plumbers and they were using electricians tools, and I was like, oh, I mean, I could do that. Yeah, you could go to radio shack and get some stuff and then you can go to Paul's do it center. There's no, and they're not. Neither one of those exist. I'm aging and and you can get a lot of this stuff. And but I was still, you know, poor. So I had, like, my college digital recorder, you know, because I flunked out of college, so I didn't need that anymore.
Speaker 3:And then I had, like my Mac flashlights, which I still have, and I still have my first digital recorder too.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 3:And then that was it. And then in when was it? In 2004, I was 18. And it wasn't until 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. Like six years later, I had like my first paranormal experience. That's so wild. Yeah, I mean, of course, when you're a kid like I didn't grow up in a haunted house, you know I wasn't like hanging out in graveyards and yeah, you have this like, oh, I've been seeing dead people since I was. No, I just I just was a spooky, weird kid and I liked the weird stuff and I was artistic and I was a theater kid and I loved the escapism that you can have with horror and fiction and fantasy, and so ghosts and spirits and aliens were all in that same realm. So I was just super into it because that was something that you could do in real life. So you know, theoretically, personally, theoretically- yeah, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:I love that you bring up the escapism part of it too. Yeah, I always use with skeptics right Like I've had this talk with a few people in my life. But it's's like what if they were able to prove tomorrow that ghost didn't exist? Or what if it's all fake? I'm like you know what? Here's the thing if you came to me with concrete proof tomorrow that all of this stuff was made up which I don't think would ever happen it made my life more fun, it made it more interesting and it gave me something else to focus on other than the constant shit storm that we have going in normal world.
Speaker 3:You know so that escapism is a huge piece I will tell you technically on paper, they it is. It is not real yeah, technically.
Speaker 2:So, technically it's already.
Speaker 3:You know on paper that none of this is real and we still all do it anyway. It's gonna be the same thing as I'm sorry, but there's nobody in the universe that could really convince me that, like you know, God exists. But that's not going to stop people from like. That's where the faith part comes in Right, Absolutely.
Speaker 3:And that's just kind of where the personal experiences come in. Yeah, and there is no concrete way like real concrete way. There's a lot of data against the existence of the paranormal, true, but there's really no way, just like there's no way to prove or disprove religion. There's never going to be a way honestly to prove or disprove that the paranormal is real. Right, and there's a, there's a power in that, there's like a coolness in that, because that means that we can still have personal experiences, we can still use our equipment, we can still traipse through the woods and look for Bigfoot, because it the escapism.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I like it explained that way and I'm not even a just in case person like, oh, you never know, it's not real yet. No, it's not, because if you are going to work on any sort of discovery and you have that's why I like little, tiny bits and pieces. I will never say, oh, the paranormal is real, but I will say there's tiny little bits and pieces that maybe we could work on, not necessarily proving, but at least like verifying some sort of semblance of existence with and that's way cooler than me finding a ghost, in my opinion which is like a perfect lead-in to talk about your skills.
Speaker 1:So how are we finding those little bits of evidence?
Speaker 3:yeah, um you drop out uh, yeah, me, I'm a dropout, um, although I will say as she talks to me, and I just like, like this is the first time I'm saying publicly, though, that I am going back to school, so I'm so excited for you.
Speaker 2:We're gonna manifest it. It's gonna be great yeah, well, I was already accepted I was already accepted yeah so you're gonna do fine to do fine, I'm a Youngstown State University penguin.
Speaker 1:Penguin.
Speaker 3:I'm a penguin, but no. I was accepted in. I have to do some placement tests, but I am in the electrical engineering program.
Speaker 2:I'm so happy for you. That's so awesome. So okay, but explain why you're doing electrical engineering then.
Speaker 3:So it's, I do build equipment.
Speaker 2:You know so nonchalant.
Speaker 3:So nonchalant. But a lot of that development and equipment is a lot of like the, the work and the experimentation that I do by talking and thinking about those little tiny pieces like what little pieces can we work on discovering? That has nothing to do with like talking to dead people, because that's there's. Everybody's talking to dead people, that's fine.
Speaker 1:Everybody's out there trying to talk to dead people.
Speaker 3:That's not something that I need to work on. It's already being covered all over the place, all across the globe. We're all doing it, so I don't need to worry about that. It's covered. So I'm like what other tiny little things can we work on? And then through things like that? And then also, I don't know if you guys saw me sharing things about the chamber at Madison Seminary.
Speaker 1:Yes, we definitely want to dig into that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's and it's, it's things like that that are going to help with development of, like the stuff that I make. So if anybody knows at all who I am, then they know me, because I made the crystal pod which we have and we love so beautiful which is it's funny because I made this when we, if we go back to that sort of like not having access and things being really, really expensive, that's like why I started building these. I honestly.
Speaker 2:How old are you when you built the first one?
Speaker 3:I've only been building for two years.
Speaker 2:Okay, oh, really See, I would have thought that you would have been tinkering around with that for just the way that you know.
Speaker 3:Just explain it Well, and that's the thing, though, is because these are not paranormal.
Speaker 2:This is a You're right.
Speaker 3:It's a capacitive proximity sensor and those are. I mean, that's not a paranormal thing, that's just a mechanic thing. Yeah, yeah, like this it's not something that 90% of the tools that we use are not paranormal tools. They've just been modified to be for paranormal investigators. But, like this isn't inherently something that I had to learn how to build paranormal equipment to do this. When I do a build workshop, I order a whole bunch of door alarms and all we do is modify a door alarm to turn it into a like a REM pod, because they're all just proximity sensors.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's. I mean, proximity sensors are really prevalent in like manufacturing and like factories, things like that. There's a bunch of different kinds of proximity sensors, okay, but they're the most prevalent in like the big industry manufacturing world and they honestly, that's all they are. It's just to allow like machines to know when something's like close to it or when something when a water level rises too high or when like safety stuff and so like this isn't new I was gonna say it just reminds me of, like the garage door sensors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it doesn't like crush a child or something which are um passive infrared motion sensors okay, tell me more you're, you're gonna kill it back in electrical engineering.
Speaker 3:I know what the hell I hope, so I gotta like no I'm gonna do some prep courses on like trigonometry and stuff, because the the math piece. But I'll tell you what? I'll kill it in like labs and circuitry. Yeah, you will kill it. Yeah, you will oh my god I, I'm wondering, I'm trying to think where I have the first one that I did build, because I, I, I'm, I think I just take it with me you're so smart to keep it.
Speaker 3:I would have given that away or something, oh yeah I well, it's funny because when I built the first one, it was just for me, yeah, it was just, it was my. I had first. Okay, I had my first paranormal experience at 24.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to hear about that.
Speaker 3:And then that was really when I was like, Ooh, I want to do like paranormal investigating and I lived in an old apartment building.
Speaker 3:So I, we started doing like paranormal investigating in this apartment building. We started going, I went to like my friend's houses and all this stuff, so it was all just these like little residential things. And then my first public hunt was probably like 10, like 12 years ago and, um, it was at the house of wills in Cleveland and I just had brought like my little Mac flashlight and my little digital recorder and I ended up getting an EVP that won a contest for the event.
Speaker 2:What that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I had my first experience at 24 and then I didn't actually catch my first piece of evidence until I was like 27, 28 years old.
Speaker 2:That's cool.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which also plays in a little bit to some other things that I'll talk about when I talk about the chamber and I'm like okay, like then I'm getting heavy. So I am 39 and I don't think I got super, super heavy into like this is where I want to be forever until like my mid thirties, yeah, and that's when I started to discover like that there were Paracons. I didn't know Paracons were a thing.
Speaker 2:And that's how we met you.
Speaker 3:Yes, my very first one was HillCon. We met at Michigan Paracon, didn't we?
Speaker 1:Yeah, where's HillCon at?
Speaker 3:HillCon's at Hillview Manor in Newcastle, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1:See, I've been telling you, Kara, all the good events are in Pennsylvania. We're now obviously, you know, Michigan Paracon's over. We're looking for a new home con. So if you got some good ones, you let us know.
Speaker 3:Oh my, God, yes, are you kidding me, there's also well. So Hillview Manor was my first one and I had at first kind of stepped on the scene in Paracons for like witchcraft stuff. I owned a yoga studio and then I have also been like a witchy practitioner for you know a good, good amount of time and I struggled a lot with like coming like publicly with witchcraft I can?
Speaker 2:I can see that being tough, especially it was tough now I feel. I feel like it's kind of getting to where it's easier maybe.
Speaker 1:But even five years ago, it was very much off.
Speaker 3:Which is so crazy because everybody has all this. Like you can go in a Hobby Lobby and there's crosses everywhere and, like you know, catholic churches on every freaking corner, but people were so scared about talking about witchcraft and I'm like they're pretty similar, honestly.
Speaker 1:Seriously, it's all rituals. So it's crazy I'll bite my tongue before yeah, we could go on about that.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, historically it is, yeah, all stolen practice. Yes, sorry, sorry, I'm a deconstructed christian. Okay, me and me and me and jesus have a fine relationship and deconstruct. Yeah, actually, it's funny. Reading the Bible from the first page to the last page helped me deconstruct from organized religion and Christianity.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I kind of bet.
Speaker 3:And I have met some pretty diehards. Very recently, I spoke to somebody who is very religious and they almost wanted to try to start having a religious conversation with me and I said when was the last time that you read the Bible cover to cover? And they said well, you know, I mean, you don't read it cover to cover. And I was like don't have this argument then, because I'm going to win.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I will absolutely win, because if they read it cover to cover, then they just can't pick up the excerpts that prove their point and ignore all the rest.
Speaker 3:It's an enthralling read I highly recommend. It's so contradictory and there are such like brutal parts and there's really great parts in it and, oh, I think it's a fantastic book. I think it's great.
Speaker 2:Read it, read it in it and, oh, I think it's a fantastic book. I think it's great. Read it, read it, read it tenny says that too.
Speaker 3:Read it, it's a fantastic book. Yeah, do do like king james and do inter, uh, like niv version, and do them side by side. And then there's also there's there's plenty of. Find yourself a really good theological. Um, what is the word I'm looking for? I am a a theologian describe the person, not the word so like uh somebody, okay, so back in like greek times, they would all come together and they would all talk about things, and it was just a man and they philosopher got you what's?
Speaker 2:what's another word like I was gonna say armchair expert, but I don't think that's what you were or I.
Speaker 1:I think, when you were saying theology, a theologian would be like a person who specifically, there is a gentleman on tiktok that I follow.
Speaker 3:Let me see scholar, there you go. He's a. He's a scholar of like the Bible and religious scripture and all of this stuff and he he takes the Bible as just face value and he goes through and he talks about the different ways that religion and he is religious. He is religious and he said you know it is text, it is text, it is not. The Bible is not a religion. The Bible is text that religion was formed from.
Speaker 2:And that's it's so wild when you think about it that way. He's fantastic.
Speaker 3:Oh see, I can go off into like the craziest rants.
Speaker 2:I know I feel like we're the same way though, so we'll tangent and tangent.
Speaker 3:I'm, I'm all about rabbit holes. Perfect. Well, and back to witchcraft.
Speaker 1:So that's where we got here. See, that's where you're good, though, cause we don't always remember where we started. Because we don't always remember where we started, you got that little mental bookmark going.
Speaker 3:I was like religion D witchcraft, oh were you talking about Paracons and then witchcraft, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I had first entered in Paracons because of witchcraft, because when I studied yoga in India, that's how I was certified to teach yoga and I came back home and I opened up a yoga studio in my hometown, which was like the worst mistake ever because I ended up closing it two years later. But I we had a lot of classes about like spirituality and meditation and I would have shamanic practitioners come in and we would do all of these just different types of spirituality, and I had a few women that were just like you know, I've been really interested in naturalism and witchcraft and things like that and was like fuck it, let's do it, and I would have like witches circles at the yoga studio.
Speaker 3:Oh my god I love it and it would just be like practical things, like we did. It was and it was always very beautiful and very emotional, very empowering, and we would do like cord cutting rituals or we would talk about how to make a grimoire. We would do like little manifestation. This was something that I had made during one of the. This is one of my little things that we made during one of the witch's circles at my yoga studio and I love that it was just like things like that.
Speaker 3:And so I ended up getting into the paracons because I was like I want to do this, but I don't know what to sell. And somebody was like sell like witchy stuff. And I was like, oh my gosh, it's a great idea. So I was like crystals and little witch kits and like I got my first pendulum from you oh, did you.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there it is no one can see, but I'm holding up her book. There it is. I had to dig for it.
Speaker 3:I love it and I started just selling these things. And then it was like a year later I joined Tri-C Ghost Hunters, which is the resident paranormal team at the Ohio State Reformatory, and I did my first Paracon with them, which was Parapsychon. And Parapsychon was like for me was like Michigan Paracon times 12,000.
Speaker 1:And see we've debated that one we need to jump on there Now for me.
Speaker 3:For me it was Now Michigan Paracon, of course, but when I went to Michigan Paracon, for the first time.
Speaker 3:I was already paranormal and things like that. So for me, going to ParasiteCon, it there is. The only reason why I'm doing what I'm doing in the paranormal is because I joined Tri-C Ghost Hunters and I went to ParasiteCon. That's it, cause. Parasitecon was like here's my, here's my journey, here's my journey, and my journey would have gone this way. But ParasiteCon happened and it was like, oh my God, that was like the all of the like 2004 me watching ghost hunters and like me with a big, huge camcorder and me like 100 for ghosts in the backyard.
Speaker 2:All of it flashed before my eyes and I was like oh my God, it all settled in, this is my eyes. And I was like oh my God it all settled in.
Speaker 3:This is. This is where I belong. This is what I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1:It was like a big, profound, life-changing moment.
Speaker 3:And I approached Greg Feketic and I was like how do people like be a part of something like this? Like how do people talk at these things? And I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna speak at Parapsychon one day. And he was like, well, I mean, I'll tell you what I look for. And I was like, tell me. And I wrote a list. And he was like you know I have the list? No, I think it was like on my phone.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:But literally it was like, because he was like what have you done, what have you been on, what have you this, what have you that, what books have you written, all this other stuff, and I was like I'm, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do that, and that was like three years ago.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was like three years ago that's incredible and he he actually really has the first proximity sensor I ever fixed, which got me into building them, because he had one that looked like this Of course he started by fixing and taking one apart.
Speaker 3:Right. And he was like yeah, he's like, you know. And because I was like oh, what's this? This is adorable. And he was like oh, it's a REM pop, it doesn't work. And I was like can I, can I take it apart? And he was like yeah, I mean, it's broken. And I was like bitch, bitch, I could fix it, because that's what it always was. If somebody had something that was broke, they brought it to me and I fixed it, no matter what. I can't figure out how to put this together call lauren, the vcr is broken. Call lauren, this is broken.
Speaker 1:Call lauren, I constantly was fixing things oh, I'm gonna need you on speed dial, because every electronic around me just decides to break.
Speaker 3:We think we may have figured it out, but I got a travel soldering kit to take two cons, in case people are like, perfect, this is broken and I'm like, give it to me, I'll fix it I come up with a wagon of electronics.
Speaker 1:Hey, lauren I was.
Speaker 3:I was such a builder when I opened my yoga studio a hundred percent, laying the floors building everything I did all of it.
Speaker 3:And he was like, yeah, it's broken. And I was like, can I take it apart? And he was like, yeah, I don't care, whatever. And I took it home and I took it apart and I was like, hello, this is I hope he didn't pay very much money for this so silly. And I fixed it. And I was like, hey, I fixed it. He was like, whoa cool. And I was like, yeah, and I'm pretty sure I can fucking build those.
Speaker 3:So I got the materials. You can find these on Amazon. I have an Amazon storefront that you can buy everything to to, and I have a YouTube that shows you how to do it. And I put one together and I was like this looks like a toy. I don't, I'm never going to use this. I want it to look like a DOS REM pod. That's what I've always wanted. They're too expensive. I still couldn't afford them and I was like I want it to look like a DOS REM pod. So I got a box that was round. I searched the internet, found boxes that were round. I was a yoga, I had my yoga studio, so I had a shit ton of crystals and I was like I'm gonna put crystals on this.
Speaker 2:It's gonna be so beautiful.
Speaker 3:And the very first it does. It looks like this is my friend Holly's, but it looks exactly like this, the one that I built for myself and that's. And I like took it to a con with me because there was a ghost on afterwards. So I was like I'm gonna take mine. And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna display it. And people were like what is that? And I and I'm like, oh, it's my REM pod. And before I started calling in proximity sensors because REM pod is, yeah, uh, licensed. But I was like, oh, it's my REM pod. And they were like, is it for sale? And I'm like no, it's mine.
Speaker 3:When I tell you, people were like I'll give you $200 for it, and I was like um, first of all, no right, but like maybe I'll start making.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so crazy, like how faded that whole story is, though, right, you're like you start talking to this guy because you wanted to get involved. He has a broken, like it all those things just seemed like it was.
Speaker 3:So much kathy fetic. They're still really good friends of mine. He kept that. He made me sign it and he kept it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that. He's smart. He knew you were going places.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Well, he just made me sign it, like last year or something.
Speaker 2:He was like you know, you have signs for me, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love that. And then I was like well, I guess I to just figure out a better way to to make these and put them together. And then the year later, hill con, I debuted the crystal pod and sold out immediately. Oh, of course, like immediately, because I was also selling them for 65 which is uh insane.
Speaker 1:I mean you, you're one of the things we love about you how accessible you have made, yeah, some of the, I mean there's there's still only 120 bucks.
Speaker 3:Now you know what I mean, and I have payment plans half the price of just about every other one yeah, and I do payment plans and I try to keep things really affordable and they'll never be more than 120 dollars. Yeah, other than if you do a fully custom one, they do get more expensive tiered, but that makes sense you should. Oh my gosh, you know what. Hold on. Second, you want to see how fucking hold on. Let me finish this story first.
Speaker 3:I'm going to show you how crazy a custom can get. I have one back there. That's one of the prettiest ones I've ever made.
Speaker 2:Oh, I can't wait. Maybe we should get a custom one.
Speaker 3:It's, absolutely it's. I'll show you like the just it's crazy. But um and there's. I have a portfolio on my website too, of all the different customs. I've done teams, I do logos, I do everything.
Speaker 2:That's so fun.
Speaker 3:But like so I debuted, I sold out and then I, every single show I did that year, I couldn't keep them in stock and it was like I was like I don't know if I like this, because all I was doing was building and building, and building and building and I couldn't keep them stocked and I'm like I'm barely making money on these. I was just doing it to like see it was fun or whatever.
Speaker 3:And so I was like, well, I got to take a step back and really sort of change this up and hopefully people still want them if I make them a little bit more expensive. Still fucking sold out, no matter what.
Speaker 2:If you had people offering $200, they're going to buy them.
Speaker 1:All of the equipment that you make is right. If you compare it to what's on the market, you're still competitively priced, and everyone else that's on the market is hard plastic. It looks exactly the same. You have these absolutely beautiful one of a kind. I mean we took it to eloise's asylum and people were like what is that?
Speaker 3:how do I get one like it?
Speaker 1:they girl lauren, it's a showstopper when it comes in the room like yeah, you guys have a hexagon one too, don't you? Uh, we have the round one the round crystal prop pod we have a hexagon on its way though, yeah because we already, yeah, we ordered.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, yeah, you have your seer yes, the seer coming we'll get into why. Why that's important yeah cool? Yeah, you're not cool are you on my board yet?
Speaker 2:it's okay if we're not. We're patient, ish we'll be patient for you this is the line.
Speaker 3:And then, like, when one's done, another one goes up listen, listen, we're not worried, we are not at all selling out like crazy. And so I changed around all my pricing. I and then, and then it just kind of like went from there and I wanted people to know how to build these things. That's, I started a workshop, I teach people how to build the proximity sensors.
Speaker 2:And then I was like which I think that is so cool. Like you're not gatekeeping, you're like hey, I want to show you how you can do this yourself.
Speaker 3:So easy. Yeah, let's do it. I just make it pretty minor expensive because they're pretty, that's it, and they're not even that expensive but they're, they're gorgeous.
Speaker 3:When you are, when your entire life is REM pods, you really really start to again deconstruct and I started to educate people more about how to use them. And I was just noticing, like people, just I don't use REM pods as communication devices, but I used to and then I learned more about them and I learned more about the paranormal and doing my own experimentation and and theories and ideas develop and I was like I need more, I want more, and and I'm like I want to start building more, and so now it's sort of just turned into this like I'm constantly trying to come up with like new experiments to figure out the next phase of like what I want to build.
Speaker 2:I think that's my favorite part about you is that you're not just like trying to just throw shit out there to sell. Like you're doing experiments, you put them on your, you know, Instagram and things like that. Your little experience, you experiments, you talk about it and then you're just like cause you, you want to learn to be able to share that experience with people, to then sell a product that could benefit. Like you're not just throwing shit out there, which I just love and appreciate.
Speaker 3:It's like a mixture between I was always told that when I talk too much and now ding, that's like a positive.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that works great.
Speaker 3:Two I'm too much of a control freak. Ding, now. That's a positive. Three you're always telling people what to do. Ding that's a I have. So this was all faded for you, yeah and my mom was a teacher, and I in elementary school. Hi, bb, who do we have?
Speaker 2:come here, dudo yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:You gotta hold them up now yeah, who do we have?
Speaker 2:who do we have? Who do we have who?
Speaker 3:do we have? Who do we have? Come here, she's big, I can't pick her up. Come here, doodlebug, doodlebug. This is Eleanor.
Speaker 2:Rigby Eleanor, I like Doodlebug. I know she's my little Doodlebug. That's hilarious. I don't know if you can hear Delilah out there. I apologize, but I got a little wiener dog I love wieners.
Speaker 3:Don't, don't isolate that I love wieners, that's.
Speaker 1:That's the sound bite now okay, that's the magic clip dog's name is eleanor, but doodle bug. What are the 15 other names you hit?
Speaker 3:no, I'm kidding, but eleanor rigby rose about helixson or doodle bug.
Speaker 1:Girl princess grow see, we knew we knew you.
Speaker 3:You asked, she was gonna give it's not, it's not girl, it's a girl girl oh girl, she's dooboo princess. Grow, she's my little pumpkin oh or yeah, or bunkin which is like pumpkin. Yeah, we don't actually speak english in this house we only speak in baby talk, that's yep, same.
Speaker 1:Honestly, in our house it's mostly just singing songs to the cat and changing as many words to his name as we can, and his name is Small Cat.
Speaker 3:Smalls, little, small Cat. I'm a master lyricist when it comes to my animals. Yeah, so am I.
Speaker 2:You ever see those TikToks or reels that it's like the poor dog just sitting there and it's like like the. When my mom is like making up lyrics to songs about me and it's just like, and that's me every day. My husband's like what are you leave her alone? I'm like no, she loves it emerson's not interested, eleanor loves it, she's about
Speaker 2:that life yeah, sing it to me. Oh, my god, she's my princess, she's my princess girl, girl. I going to say that from now on, she's my princess girl. This is so fun. We're on so many tangents, but it's fine. So when Zach and I first met, I'd always be like, okay, girl, and I'd always call him girl. Now I'm going to call him girl.
Speaker 3:And he was like wow, thank you so much. You know what you should just do At this point. I just accept it. But what should I do? No, you just have to go. Pronouns, are he him.
Speaker 1:I don't consent to that.
Speaker 3:I'll pull that on my husband I'll be like I don't consent to that.
Speaker 1:I don't consent, the fun way to do that. I would say. My husband call me girl the second anybody else did right in front of oh no you just get real serious.
Speaker 3:You go. My pronouns are he, him, and I'd really appreciate if you respected that In the year of our Lord, 2024.
Speaker 1:So I used to be a cigarette smoker and when people who bummed you out of cigarettes in college would be like, can I bum a cigarette, I'd be like I don't smoke. Split cigarette in hand and people would just look at you like you're crazy and walk away. It worked.
Speaker 3:I could never say. I had such a hard time telling people no. But I also was like God. When did I quit smoking? I don't even know. I quit smoking when I smoked, when I quit drinking. Good, good for you. There was no. No way you could quit either independently of one another.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I've switched to vaping and gotten a little bit better. The only problem is is I've switched one crutch for the other. Now I can do this one inside.
Speaker 3:But. But I will say, though the vaping, you can get cartridges that don't have nicotine, so you can like, wean yourself off right, except for the, the monster that I turn into when I do wean.
Speaker 1:It's just better for everybody else that we stay at a higher level, for for now we'll get there.
Speaker 3:Oh my god that's okay, that's okay. I believe in you. I appreciate you. I believe in you.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you.
Speaker 3:I believe in you. I believe in you.
Speaker 2:All right, Okay, when? What? What were we actually?
Speaker 3:talking about.
Speaker 2:Just you what were you talking about you?
Speaker 3:This year.
Speaker 2:Oh, this year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but, and and and, and. Actually you know what? No, cause I was saying that all the things. People were like, oh, you talk too much. Now I'm like, dang, that's great. And then they're like you're such a control freak. Oh, dang, awesome, that works, I make beautiful shit. And then they're like you need to always be telling people what to do. And I'm like, yeah, I'm like being a, being a teacher is something that I really really love, and it's not because I like to tell people what to do. It's because I love learning something and then sharing with people how easy it is for them to learn it too. Because it's like, oh my gosh, I did this. And it's often something very unapproachable, like when I was a yoga instructor and it was like but I can show you a way that you can learn how to do this too, and it's going to be so great. And then we're all going to be empowered and it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 1:I think, too, that's part of why we, like we fell in love with you, right? Because I think by the time we made it to your table that first year that we met you, we're already like, okay, we need to stop spending money, we don't need these things, and then you're like well, let me met you, and it was. It was a completely different experience, right, Because by the time we walked away from your table one, I had a completely different understanding of all paranormal investigating equipment, not just what we were buying and you were one of the few who we talked to like you could.
Speaker 1:The passion was coming out of you so hard at least on the merchant table side right there's a lot of presenters and stuff who always do that, but there is something in the way that you put your own care and touch into things that like.
Speaker 2:But that makes sense, because that's what makes the best teachers is those that are just excited when they teach to the other person or you know whatever, and it sparks to them like you can just see, like you just get so excited when you're talking about stuff and even when I'm like I don't know what you're saying.
Speaker 2:But oh my god, yeah, like just glazing over, you're just letting me go but no, when, when we first met you, we were just like we walked away from your table. We we didn't buy anything at first. Do you remember that, zach? Because then we went back and I was like that's why you did this last time too. This is true, but I was like the first time I was like I think I'm obsessed with her oh my God. And Zach's like yeah, I know, we really need to go back and buy all pile.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yeah, that's it, you just give us enough time together and we'll enable each other to spend.
Speaker 2:That is true, but I feel like you're the cool I don't want to say like the cool girl in school, because that's like bad sometimes but you're like the person that's like so cool. But then you make everybody else feel cool because you want them to be cool with you.
Speaker 2:That that means a lot to me, that you that's how I feel with you, because I was like you didn't make us feel silly or or, you know, weird, and it's just like sometimes people do feel strange at cons because they're going to all these tables and they're trying to like talk to people and you just feel a little bit like intimidated and like you don't make anybody feel that way. You give everybody your uninvited, undivided attention and just like you just make everybody feel special.
Speaker 3:And you just make everybody feel special my love.
Speaker 2:I'm a little too emotional for this right now. If you cry, I'll cry.
Speaker 3:Don't I already cried once today. I cried twice today.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:No, Well Parapsychon.
Speaker 1:I think that's the one we need to go to Kara, because it's still close enough. It's probably the same damn distance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 3:You remember that story. I was telling you about how I was like. I was telling Greg Feketic I was like one day I'm going to do that. He was like all these things and I'm like, okay, you know da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And he was. I, three years later, will be speaking at Paraps.
Speaker 2:When is it.
Speaker 3:It's May. It is the third weekend of May. Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going.
Speaker 3:And when he asked me, I literally was like he was like we were working a private hunt at OSR. And he was like so he's like you gonna speak next year? And I was like hell, yeah, I am. Because he would just say like you gonna be speaking next year. And I was like yes, yes, like here's the work I've been doing. And I was like hell yeah, I am. And he was like no, really, do you want to speak next year? And I was like oh, I was like what Like? Would you like to be a speaker at parapsychotic next year? And I was like what? I'm like ugly crying? And I was like are you, are you being serious? And he was like I'm being serious. And I was like is this because we're friends? And he's like no, no.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that's so cute.
Speaker 3:So I got my, because that's one thing is I'm like really good friends with Greg and Kathy Fickett. They're like family to us, and so that was one thing too is like he doesn't he really doesn't do favors, especially if you're a friend, and why I appreciate that so much is because I I thoroughly feel like I deserve and worked for it and that's amazing. That's a really good feeling to have, yeah, and so it was a very big moment to be asked. Finally, that was like such a full circle moment because Parapsychon was the one event that like changed the trajectory of what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Oh my God.
Speaker 1:There's just way too much fate and synchronicity in all those stories. I love it so much it's wild.
Speaker 2:It's crazy. Well, I have a question, then, because you're kind of talking about all the things that you've done, and so my question is like with everything that you have been able to do, with all of everything that you've just told us, what is your favorite part so far?
Speaker 3:This is crazy because, like, don't get me wrong, I love teaching people, I love. I love when I have like a group of people at my table. I don't care if people buy stuff, I don't care, I don't care I stopped selling things at. You can order my equipment now at events, but I stopped selling things at events because I just I want people to come up to like, learn and to explore, and I have the big Vandegraaff generator and I do demos and I show people all of these things.
Speaker 2:And she does.
Speaker 3:And I love that so much. But, like now being able to have the access and the relationship with locations has now allowed me to have places where I can do the experiments that I had been wondering about. That you really need to be able to. You can't walk into a place and like decide whether or not it's haunted by just being there one time, no matter.
Speaker 3:No matter how many people want to have all of their videos of evidence, and all of this and all of that are a dime a dozen. Your shadow person is a dime a dozen For every single video of a ghost. I can show you 12,000 more videos of a ghost. Every EVP that says get out, I can show you 25,000 more EVPs that say get out. And so that's why I'm saying, like, hunting for ghosts I'm not interested in because that's already covered. Everybody's already doing that. That's great, but the experimentation that I want to do is so long term that I needed like a space in order to work, and having that now I think my favorite thing right now hasn't even debuted yet. It's debuting tomorrow Is the chamber.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, I've been so waiting to my god, can we?
Speaker 1:dive into this a bit, because I I watched. Yes, I watched your live video where you started to explain it and I I want to hear everything it is so wait, hold on zach zach, and I have a surprise, really quick, for you oh, are you? Are you going to start explaining things to us?
Speaker 2:Oh, my god yeah.
Speaker 1:We came prepared. Damn it, I'm like I knew it. I knew it. Okay. So here's the deal for all of our listeners. Lauren explained to us, when we asked her to be on the show, that when she's explaining things, she has to wear a tinfoil hat. So we all came prepared with tinfoil hats has to wear a tinfoil hat.
Speaker 3:So we all came prepared with tinfoil hats. If we're talking about something that is based in personal theory, which means anything paranormal, is personal theory, scientific theory, something totally different. If we're going to talk about physics, if we're going to talk about the electromagnetic spectrum in like an applicable way, static electricity, how it works, all those things, that's science. The second, that we relate it to the paranormal tinfoil hats gotta go on because it is no longer science.
Speaker 3:That's when science theory turns into personal theory and those two things are so far removed. I'm talking personal theories right here. Now Science theory is in Australia. That's how far apart they are from one another, and I don't think that is. I don't think that is explained enough and there's a superpower in that, because now that means we can talk about how a burp is an alien trying to get into your brain.
Speaker 2:Probably it makes solid sense. Oh god, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and you want to know why, like where this came from okay, other than the movie signs that that was my earliest entry to the tinfoil hat I know.
Speaker 3:That's why I can tell. That's why how you made your tinfoil hats and I love that. So the coolest part about the idea of tinfoil hats is because this is like the epitome of non and like anti science, but the reasoning behind it is rooted deeply in science. So the tinfoil hat is a Faraday cage for your brain.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, all right. All right, I can see it.
Speaker 3:Can be made out of tinfoil. I did do a video on Faraday cages where I wrapped up my REM pod in tinfoil. Yeah, yeah, and when I used the two-way radio it didn't set it off. Yes, a Faraday cage blocks most like electromagnetic radiation, so radio waves and things like that it will block it. So, to put it on your head, you are using the concept of Faraday cages. Now, mind you, because we're not completely encased in tinfoil, this does not work.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:But it's fun.
Speaker 1:Wait that sounds way too sciencey, I'm going to say it works.
Speaker 3:But it's interesting that the whole idea behind it is very rooted in a, you know, a scientific application. Yeah, that's funny on mechanical application because it does work. There's no, there's no theory or anything behind it. Faraday cages are absolutely a thing, um, but I always find that really funny. So the chamber is very tinfoil hatty it's. I mean it's it's. It's tinfoil hatty because it's very rooted in spiritual practice, but then it's also a little bit of like psychology as well too, because what I want to do with the chamber and a lot of this is is all the way back into before.
Speaker 3:I had my first like. I had my first paranormal experience when I moved into my first apartment building, which, coincidentally, I ended up my apartment that I had that experience in. I ended up moving when my mother could no longer take care of herself like in a house, but she could still manage taking care of herself. I moved her into that apartment because it was next door to my new apartment, because I moved next door into a bigger apartment. So I moved my mom into my first apartment and she had an experience there, and my mom is not. She was never a paranormal person.
Speaker 3:Interesting she had an experience that gives some credence to it, and then and then we, we learned that that apartment was where her grandmother lived.
Speaker 2:Oh, I just got shut up, wait, and you guys didn't know oh wow.
Speaker 3:It wasn't until she had her paranormal experience and then she had this epiphany because she always said that that apartment building was uh, you know, she used to go there when she was little because she used to play around the like veranda and she had some sort of epiphany and she was like, oh wow. The reason why I was hearing my name is because this was my grandmother's apartment. I used to come here when I was little oh my gosh, wow, that's, that's so every hair is like standing yeah, mine too
Speaker 2:I love that story and also it's so cute I was to say it's kind of something comforting too, because she was there when she was little and then she was there when she was not oh yep, and then she was there like towards, yeah, towards, like the end of her life.
Speaker 3:That was the last place she lived until we moved her into assisted living and I like that I know, uh is that so cool, love it.
Speaker 1:So it was like that little connection.
Speaker 3:But then it wasn't until I, when I got my first like EVP, when I was interacting directly, like eliciting some sort of connection to the paranormal, was after I had studied in India spirituality, all these other things. So I was really into meditation, I was really into this spiritual practice and I found myself getting sort of more and more interaction and personal experiences in the paranormal. And I'm like and it's in my book too that meditation is so important to paranormal investigating because your state of mind and your emotional state and your state of being is connected to the balances or imbalances of your energy centers in your body and your third eye is how you interact with the world beyond. The spiritual world is that sort of third eye energy center and the only way that you can really sort of attune yourself and balance yourself out is, you know, a good like mobility practice, a good physical like movement and health. But meditation and meditating and mindfulness was always always really important when it came to my sort of ceremony when it came to paranormal investigating, it was have yourself in a good, a good mental state, meditate on your way up, make sure that you're like cleansing before and after kind of thing, ground yourself, all of that stuff and so to be able to do an experiment like this where I can have access to hundreds, hundreds of studies and data from people in the general public.
Speaker 3:And it's crazy because Rebecca Kirschbaum, who is the counterpart to Adam Kimmel, who owns the Madison Seminary in Madison, ohio, rebecca is like she's a really, really good friend of mine. She's super into like the meditation and yoga and all this stuff too, and her and I have always had these like really great conversations. And one day she was like I just woke up and I was like Lauren needs a room and and she called me and she was like I want to have a meeting. And I was like, okay, cool, see you in a bit. And she was like I want you to do something with one of the rooms on the third floor and I was like, okay, sure, and she's like I don't know, like like make it into something cool. They have a mirror room there where the entire room is just mirrors and it's really cool.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:I was like, okay, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's go look at it. And I opened the door and I was like, oh, my god, we're gonna do we're sort of sensory deprivation kind of thing and I'm like it's going to be just all this stuff. And then, like, the chamber was born and it's another synchronicity and so the chamber, the hypothesis behind the chamber, is that I think there is such a profound connection between your emotional, mindful, like mental state and your connection and interaction with the supernatural or the paranormal or whatever it is, whether it be interdimensional travelers or aliens or ghosts or whatever it is having supernatural experiences. I found, with like conversations with people in this community, the people that were, of course, we have the people that have gifts, they're sensitive, they're empaths, they're mediums, they're, they're psychics, have these interactions all the time, and psychic ability, again, is connected to your third eye and the balance of your energy centers.
Speaker 3:And then you have people that are like super skeptics, that are just like never had an experience, never had one, and they're usually typically, you know, sometimes of course they're religious, but they're not super spiritual or anything like that. And then you have some people that are like a little bit more like spiritual, like witches. They've all had personal experiences. So there's these coincidences in types of people and their connection to spirituality, spiritual practice, meditation, yoga, all of these things and their personal experiences in the paranormal. Now don't get me wrong. I think most personal experiences are purely subjective. Sometimes it's just confirmation bias, sometimes it's correlation. You know this sort of like correlation and causation thing. Yeah, sometimes it's totally just psychosomatic, it's been fabricated inside your mind. But does that mean that I think every single personal experience is that? No, because I the only way that I can judge that and I'm not saying, oh, my experiences are real and nobody else's.
Speaker 3:No, but I am taking into account that I have had experiences that I have really tried to deconstruct and I couldn't. So I'm basing the likelihood of other people's experiences. There is a percentage that those could be authentic, because I feel like mine are authentic. And is that another confirmation bias? Why? Yes, of course it is, but that's why we do an experiment.
Speaker 1:And that's why we have tinfoil hats on, and that's why we have tinfoil hats on, and so it is a sound resonance chamber.
Speaker 3:So you go inside this chamber, you close the curtain and you find yourself in complete darkness and there are these two speakers behind you and you hear my voice and you get to experience Lauren's meditation voice which is completely opposite from her, like look at this proximity sensor.
Speaker 3:Totally different. I don't even think half the time people will realize it's me and you'll be given these instructions to just kind of like sit, relax and then you are played this tone with this drumming for 15, 15 minutes. The idea of the tone and the drumming the tone is is very specific and there's going to be different um uploads of different tones in the chamber throughout the two years of the experiment that it's going to run. It's going to run for two years, two years, yeah, that's how you know.
Speaker 3:It's thorough, and that's what I'm saying. People are like oh, I did an experiment. How long was your experiment? For a night? Overnight that's not an experiment, babe. No, yeah, you know. I mean, of course it is an experiment, but that's not. You can't get yeah, you can't get thorough data overnight it's a personal experiment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not really compiling the data, going through it and giving so much more evidence.
Speaker 3:I'm trying so hard to make this, even though it's so woo woo, and the scientific method cannot apply to this in any way, shape or form. So I'm calling it the para scientific method. Okay, I love it, but I'm trying to make it as thorough as possible. So there will be. It's open to the general public. That's what I was gonna ask. Okay, there is a QR code that you scan that takes you to a questionnaire and it has all these directions. You're supposed to go up to the chamber. You're supposed to walk the halls first and just take in everything, do the chamber and then walk the halls again and see if there's a difference. That's it.
Speaker 2:That's what it is, oh my god. And two, we got to do this. We got two years, zach we, oh, you got to do this, yeah it's ohio, we can.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly two months well and well, let you. Let me know you could just come out and I'll make sure that you can do it by yourselves. So I'll do a controlled experiment where you come out and it'll just be us.
Speaker 1:Yes, we will totally be here getting gigs.
Speaker 3:It would have to be like a weekday, that's okay. I'm going to be doing controlled events where I do controlled experiments with people, so then there's a good control factor and then different variables, because then of course it's going to be open to the general public. So of course I'm going to have to, you know, probably deal with people that send in bullshit questionnaires and whatever. But that's why I'm doing it for two years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is so cool, lauren.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm really excited, and the goal is, after the two years and now the tone, every few months it's going to change, oh, okay, and so there'll be like different data sets just to see. My goal is to find, like this sort of sweet spot tone, sound, rhythm that I can just put on Spotify and anybody can just put it in their headphones before an investigation, and then you will be able to tap in more to the supernatural energy without having to use a bunch of pieces of equipment to hunt for ghosts, or maybe it just might increase your intuition in the areas of the building that you could go to to set up your equipment.
Speaker 1:So it's almost kind of like giving binaural beats of the paranormal world, except there's like actual binaural beats of the paranormal world, except there's like actual evidence you're gathering behind it to see what works, instead of just you know some kid with a mixer on YouTube.
Speaker 2:If anyone ever said you're not cool, I would personally go beat them up for you.
Speaker 3:So many, Okay, it's so funny I have.
Speaker 3:I definitely went through a lot of like feeling very uncool stages and having friendships where I was like not really the cool friend at all and very like not not. I was definitely like bullied in high school and it's funny. Right before I, right before I got into the paranormal, I had a like a like a witchy friend, and it's funny because they have like 250,000 followers on TikTok and had a like a witchy friend and it's funny because they have like 250,000 followers on TikTok and they made like a bash TikTok about me, lauren.
Speaker 1:We need to find this person. I can't even imagine what you could do to get a bash TikTok.
Speaker 3:They called me something different and I it was. It was hysterical, it did make me laugh a lot.
Speaker 2:I didn't respond. I mean I didn't, it was.
Speaker 3:whatever, I don't care.
Speaker 1:She's in the comments. How's your relationship with your mother, oh?
Speaker 3:and that's the thing is that I knew what the mother, so that's why I was like I'm not even gonna you're not going to entertain that shit, I'm not even going to.
Speaker 2:Oh well, that's why it is like we just keep tangenting. I love it, but that's why I feel like it is important to find like other little weirdos, because, like I have never felt so welcomed and accepted and seen and respected as much as I have in this community.
Speaker 3:When I was in the yoga community I was very much like the rebel and because I don't teach in Sanskrit and speak above people, I am not good enough for that community.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 3:The one other studio that I taught at that. I just absolutely loved the couple there. It's a. It was a studio that was in Hudson Ohio. They're incredible. They're still there. They're amazing and beautiful and wonderful people. But some of their clientele, you know it was rich bougie crowd and I used to ride motorcycles and I would strap my yoga mat on the back of my motorcycle. Of course she did.
Speaker 2:I would strap my yoga mat on the back of my motorcycle. Fucking course she did.
Speaker 3:I would strap my yoga mat on the back of my motorcycle and I would ride to go teach and I remember riding behind this car and I could tell that like the woman was like, like looking in, like the back or whatever, because we were doing the same route and she was like, like is this, is this like crazy tatted biker lady following me Right, oh my God?
Speaker 3:And then you're the instructor. We go up into like the parking garage and we get there and I, I'm like, I'm like whatever, I'll play into this, and I park right behind her and she, like stays in her car. And I get off my bike and I grab my yoga mat, and then she like does like a double take and I go in, and so then she gets out and she gets her yoga mat, she goes in and uh, I would have paid to see her face.
Speaker 3:I stayed at the front desk. I didn't want to go in and set up. Yet I stayed at the front desk for a while with my yoga mat and everything. And she comes in and she kind of like looks at me like, oh, you know, oh you go here, you know I'm a yogi, and she goes, and she goes and sets up and I'm like, oh my god, she's in my class, she's in my class and I walk in and I like call out the first pose and I say, you know, get ready, it was a power class. I can I curse?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I now don't get me wrong Power yoga is not yoga. That is purely a westernized white people workout and they bastardize the practice. But I kicked the fucking shit out of that bitch. I was a competitive power lifter and I was a trainer Like I was a bad bitch when I was in fitness. Oh God, when I tell you I don't, I don't care, I was a bomb ass power yoga instructor because I I would do the exact same thing as what I was doing my building, my equipment. I would find just these ways to open up the people that had so much ego on their mats, the people that would do like a fucking handstand before they would do their chaturanga. And I'm like I'm going to peel these motherfuckers open and humble them and get their ego out of the way so that they can open up. You know it was. It was very intentional, yeah, but I'll tell you what that one day I was like I'm just going to kick the shit out of this bitch.
Speaker 2:And she had to get.
Speaker 3:She had to get in child support so many times during this class.
Speaker 1:Did she come back?
Speaker 3:Oh, hell yeah, oh, she was my. She was a regular after that.
Speaker 1:That's how it always turns out. Yes, of course, okay. Kara, I think now is a good time for you to ask a question that you've been planning.
Speaker 2:Oh well the jobs.
Speaker 1:It's gotta be the jobs, because you have teased so many of them.
Speaker 2:I do. I did have like a couple of questions I want to ask you. But you I was going to say I wanted to know like, have you ever had a normal job? But we've already gone through the list of all the things like I'll still, I'm still going to surprise you. I know you will.
Speaker 3:I was in banking for 10 years and I managed a bank. That I would have never thought of, and I am a licensed insurance agent for the state of Ohio. Right now, right now.
Speaker 2:And this is why I had this question, because I knew you were going to shock me.
Speaker 3:I just filled in for the office that I used to work at, because he goes out of town for once in a while and since I'm still licensed, he'll just have me come in and just cover his office like just randomly.
Speaker 2:And I was just there for two days last week, yeah. Oh my God, and he doesn't care.
Speaker 3:Like I, I'm all tatted up and stuff, and so people will come in and think that I'm like the assistant or whatever, and I'm like hey, no bitch, let's talk about your coverage. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I did have a question that I wanted to ask and this is like kind of I feel like for you it is a full circle moment that I got to witness and you're probably like, what are you talking about? So I was going to ask you like what your favorite, like your who, your favorite person or most meaningful person was to meet. But last year you cried at Michigan Paracon when you got to meet Jason Haas. I did, and I thought it was. I have goosebumps right now. It was the most purest, like most amazing thing ever. And then this year I thought for you was like a full circle because your booth was across from them.
Speaker 3:I was. Yeah, they were on the other side. I was in the room with all of. I was in the. I was in like I was in the room with all and I wasn't. Yeah, I was in like.
Speaker 2:I know badass room. I know, oh, hell yeah, you were oh yeah, so like for me, like I I was gonna ask you, but I feel like that would probably be one of your top people is that meeting Jason Haas last year and you just like crying and it was like just so wholesome and adorable so embarrassing, no, but then you got to literally be pretty much across from them with your booth this year.
Speaker 1:And it was like no big deal.
Speaker 2:Amazing the most amazing part to me is that you literally were like it is no big deal, you're just my hat's falling, you're just like still doing your thing and like I am just like, oh, and I went from like I went from like yeah, like crying when I met Jason Haas to setting my table up and then like texting Aaron Sagers down the way.
Speaker 3:Hey, I'm looking at you?
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, which is incredible, or?
Speaker 3:like Ronnie LeBlanc coming to, like seek me out so we could chat and say hi. And then I was telling Christopher today too. I was like I, I posted like hey, this is crazy, I'm turning 39. And like all these other things, like my thirties rocked. I really loved it and it was like if I would have told like 22 year old me that Nick Groff would reach out to tell me happy birthday, that, like Dave Schrader would message me and like. Hey, happy birthday so great and like, yeah, I don't know, that's incredible.
Speaker 1:That speaks to the community, though it like yeah, I don't know, that's incredible. That speaks to the community, though it's such like I feel like, like you were saying everyone who's in this community didn't fit anywhere else. I feel like we could talk all night. Yeah, you want to start wrapping up? She's got dinner. I'm sure she's smelling it. She's hungry.
Speaker 3:Babe, are you home? Baby, baby, baby, baby christopher, no christopher I thought I heard something.
Speaker 1:I think you're on your own um weird okay so do you want to kind of wrap it up, talk a little bit about what you want to get out of the chamber, and then I'd love for you to give like a little little plug on how your equipment like is different than everyone else's like yeah, I um lauren ha everywhere, that's easy. Perfect.
Speaker 3:And I will say too big thing is find Lauren Haunt's on YouTube. The most recent video is, in my opinion, a really, really great video explaining my sort of development of the three pieces of equipment that I currently have for sale and like why I still sell proximity sensors and like why the crystal pod this year and the Nova work together. Okay, because this is like, of course, this is, this is the big, this is like my. Is it backwards to you guys?
Speaker 1:Oh no, it mirrors it, it for us.
Speaker 3:Oh, weird, this is what I teach on, like kinetic energy, static electricity, electromagnetic radiation being what you should have covered in your paranormal investigations, and that's like my big to-do. The chamber, of course, has nothing to do with equipment. The chamber is our personal relationship with the supernatural because, all things aside, I think, like the whole the this era of just like debunking each other, I think it's, I think it's so counterproductive, yeah, and I think debunking is just it's on, it's unnecessary, because if we're doing proper due diligence and proper experimentation, then, like the fake content and stuff doesn't matter, like it does, it just doesn't. It doesn't do anything to debunk other than having gotcha moments, yeah makes sense.
Speaker 3:I'm like, of course, I mean I've, I've, you know, said like ah, you know, like that's your job is more of just like a gotcha to me than you're doing anything to sort of. If we have more people that are educated, then we're going to have less people making fake content because you wouldn't have to. Nobody's going to believe it.
Speaker 2:Nobody would subscribe to it, right.
Speaker 3:And now there is entertainment and entertainment is is completely different. If we are thinking that we need to debunk entertainment, that's it. That's so. There's no point to that. Entertainment is entertainment.
Speaker 3:That's what it is absolutely if I were to have never watched ghost hunters and ghost adventures, I would have never realized that there was a world to discover, If I would have never watched entertainment, and no matter what whether it was ghost hunters or ghost adventures, or if it was a horror book, or if it was an author, or if it was a movie entertainment got us here, and there's plenty of people that are like that's not true. I have seen ghosts since I was a child. Okay, but when was the moment that you realized that you weren't a fucking weirdo, Right?
Speaker 1:entertainment or that you could do it as a job or any.
Speaker 3:So like if we have more people that are just interested in proper experimentation and learning and taking things apart and sure, like debunk for your own personal stuff or like look at a video critically and like debunk it for yourself, but this whole like popularity in debunk culture is it's so. It's so. It's not doing anything. It doesn't do anything for my work. I don't care.
Speaker 1:I love to know how you, like, you're marrying so many different schools of thought. Right, like, you usually have the tech people, the witchy, the psychic. Right Like you, kind of break it down and say that you're all looking at the same thing. It's just the perception of which you're doing it right. So now you have these tools, that where you can do a little bit of all of it, and it's such a unique way to tie it all together and give a totally different perspective on investigating I find strictly science people in the paranormal or strictly tech people in the paranormal y'all.
Speaker 3:We were hunting for ghosts. So I think that that correlation between your personal connection with supernatural energy, experiencing it, and then allowing that to be like this, catalyst for reimagining how you explore it, is so important and I just think it'll change the way people approach things and maybe it'll calm people the fuck down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hopefully, hopefully.
Speaker 3:Like you, you, you have to explore it with yourself and within yourself before we can even think about this. Like, the ghosts know my name, they know me, they know we don't know what ghosts are. We got to stop. We got to stop putting things in these boxes, because that's what we do. We have this idea when, when I say ghost or spirit, we have this immediate idea of what we think it is and that's how we treat it instead of just treating it like it's energy. And discovering and exploring and feeling and experiencing that energy can hopefully just open up minds a little bit more. That maybe, maybe this doesn't always have to be a discussion about life after death, because it might not have anything to do with that.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I totally agree with that right, Because there is a huge chance that it could have absolutely nothing to do with spirits. What in Lauren's mind would it be?
Speaker 3:I couldn't tell you. I will say an interesting idea. Okay, this is going to be a story again. I'm sorry, there's two stories. So real quick before you go on your story story, does somebody have music or a vacuum going? That's a vacuum. Do you want me to shut the door? I thought I was going crazy. My husband's vacuuming at 9 41 that darn husband hold on everybody, everybody cover your ears. Why isn't it very loud? Come on, oh it's loud hey, I like how we.
Speaker 2:I like how we didn't know he was home, but we know now he's vacuuming dude, I'm gonna go yell at him.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna be like I'm on a fucking podcast and you're vacuuming at at 9, 42 at night I'm dead. I love it amazing put all this, put all this in it. Hold on oh I'm gonna keep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're keeping all of this in there. Christopher, you're vacuuming. Christopher, keep that too. Oh my God, oh, she's my favorite, love this. I don't care, I love this.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's so funny. Oh, I guess we're taking these off, christopher.
Speaker 1:So I record in what's also my reptile room.
Speaker 2:Oh hot.
Speaker 1:Three computers and heat lamps, which is why I've just gotten shinier, because I have to turn the damn AC off.
Speaker 3:I don't get a lot of AC in this room. I'm in my workshop and so I have a fan on, but I don't want to close the door because I'm like it's hot up here.
Speaker 1:I feel you, oh, my God.
Speaker 3:My sweet baby angel vacuuming at 945 at nighttime. I love it.
Speaker 1:That's all right. So with that, though I love though that. Your answer, though, was, I have no idea what it is, because I would say what, kara, 90% of our episodes end with, and we'll never know what the true answer is. So do with that what you will.
Speaker 3:I mean it's, it's, it's crazy to.
Speaker 3:Of course there's ideas I won't tell.
Speaker 3:I won't tell, tell the long story, but I will say, like the short story on, it is if, if you were a nature photographer and you were going out and you wanted to study this you know specific bird that lives in this specific place, would and and everything is the environment that it's in is just, it's very, um, it's very green, it's very tropical, all these other things.
Speaker 3:Would you go in like a bright white snowsuit and you know what I mean and then expect that you're going to be able to happen upon this bird? Or are you going to try to blend in with the environment? You're going to have the bird call. You're going to have the bird call. You're going to have all these ways. You're going to study this animal in order to find all of these ways that you can sort of acclimate yourself to its environment, so that you have a better chance of studying this bird. And I think, why not think of that in the same way as some supernatural energy might just be something that's learning about us? We're a very. This is where it gets this is where sorry.
Speaker 2:Oh, should we put them back on?
Speaker 3:This is where we get into like aliens and or like interdimensional beings.
Speaker 1:Yes, this is what we usually go down.
Speaker 3:Seriously, we are so new. Oh, this is what we usually go down. Seriously, we are so new in the universe?
Speaker 2:Oh, for sure.
Speaker 3:And for us to think for a second we can barely get off this rock y'all. We can barely breach space, so for us to think that we're some like advanced species is laughable. It is.
Speaker 1:An advanced species that somehow can't stop killing each other, right, oh my god. And why not?
Speaker 3:how fascinating of a creature are we? We are so self-destructive if this, if this was how long the earth has been, you know, habitable by anything human beings have been here for, maybe, if it's this big, it would be less than the, the tiniest, most finest piece of hair, and it would probably be about one percent of the size of that that human beings have been here, of course we have almost wiped out oh yeah, and, and we'll be the last ones in In the most like teeny, teeny, tiniest amount of time.
Speaker 3:That's fascinating for maybe other creatures. We would do it If there was an animal. That was like wiping out an entire. You know the fucking lantern fly. Yeah man, we're enthralled by it, we want it, but we also want to kill it because it's you know, it's invasive. But what better way to try to learn than to? Every once in a while you have these sort of like scientist beings that are like oh, let's try something different. And then they come in and they're like I'm your great aunt, susan, let's see how they respond to that.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean Amazing, like maybe the paranormal and like supernatural and things like that are just. We're just somebody's like weird chamber experiment. Honestly right.
Speaker 1:You can't prove that we're not in a simulation. You can't prove that we're not an experiment.
Speaker 3:When I get really uncomfortable at haunted locations, I'll whisper dead serious, I'll be by myself too, and I'll go.
Speaker 2:I know what you really are, oh my.
Speaker 1:God.
Speaker 3:Then you just see if the energy changes oh god, I love that usually gives me this like false sense of, like confidence and I'm like I know what you are. You can't scare me, because I know what you are. I know I can see you.
Speaker 2:Photographer that's so cute oh my god okay, well, you're gonna have to come back, because I feel like we just scratched the surface of it all.
Speaker 3:I didn't even tell you about my eyeball, nothing, I know.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I know.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, For sure though, Lauren, you got to come back in two years.
Speaker 2:We really want to hear how the chamber ends up.
Speaker 1:We want to hear the results.
Speaker 3:We're going to come. I've been out before that.
Speaker 2:I like hanging out every week. Come on, yeah, no, um, so everyone can find you.
Speaker 3:It's lauren haunts everywhere, right, lauren haunts? All your stuff, absolutely every. Even lauren hauntscom gets you to my website, perfect, lauren haunts. And google gets you to my website, gets I gotta order my sweatshirt.
Speaker 2:I forgot I thought about that damn, I never ordered it.
Speaker 3:Um anyway, how do you know it works if you don't know how it works?
Speaker 1:yeah, I like that. Yes, and then your information will be down in the show notes below. So anybody who wants to go check out all her stuff really watch that youtube video she was talking about where she really explains all the equipment, because I mean it, it's paradigm shifting. In the way you look at it, it's a good one.
Speaker 2:It's a good is there any upcoming events that you're going to be at that people can go see you I?
Speaker 3:will be at, oh yeah uh, rock island paracon in illinois on october 5th. Okay and perfect. Para unity 6 in peru, indiana. It's a little parent, it's a little pair of unity, cute. And then I have my own event with uh sharice williams, who is a tarot card reader witch extraordinaire. She is so versed in tarot like I'm talking. It's a science when she explains to it it's it's crazy how much she knows about tarot.
Speaker 3:It's amazing, that's cool. But we have an event called spirit and science, oh, where we just kind of, you know, meld the two together. I talk a ton about equipment use, she talks a ton about tarot, and then we sort of combine our efforts in an investigation Cool.
Speaker 1:When and where is that one?
Speaker 3:That is November 23. And that is at the Licking County Jail. Oh and that one is like it's an event and a paranormal investigation, with us. So it's, it's a lot of fun, um, and we bring stuff for people to use and and it's a, it's going to be a really, really good time. I'm excited for that.
Speaker 2:So well, we're so. Uh, I don't even know what the words are Like. I can't believe you're here. I feel like you're talking about all of these people that are texting you now, and I'm just like I want Lauren to text me.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, send me your number, I'll text you.
Speaker 2:Okay, I just want to Lauren text and I want to like. I want to Lauren FaceTime. Like Zach and I live far away from each other, so sometimes we'll just like FaceTime. You know he'll get high, I'll have a drink. Yeah, you want to do?
Speaker 3:it. Oh, you know what, I've never used it. But should we we?
Speaker 1:can mind and follow each other. I feel so out of it. What is that so not?
Speaker 3:only is it. I have two friends that are on it. I try to get my other friends to do it so you can send each other like video messages, messages, yeah, let's do it. But if you catch the person while they're making it, you can watch it live and like group, I don't, we'll figure it out
Speaker 1:no, I don't know you know what we need to get the paranormal community into this. Why don't we just we, let's make it a thing well, I know, no, I know, jessica nappy.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say I'm not gonna marco polo, anybody but you guys fair and my fair.
Speaker 1:We'll figure it okay.
Speaker 2:And my friend Rebecca no, it's like it's almost like a chat it's like a chat yeah, where you send each other videos let's do it um and like.
Speaker 3:When I say live, I mean like if you are sending me a video and I catch you while you're making it, I can watch you make it to me live nobody else hilarious, yeah, oh, okay, okay, I'm thinking it's more social media. I got it.
Speaker 1:No, it's not like social media, it's like when did I go from the guy who used to like know all the technology to like the old?
Speaker 2:I'm like old man palmer over here you could have like a group chat on there. We're gonna figure it out anyway, but I would love. That would be great.
Speaker 3:Okay, let's do that well, when you send a message to somebody, you can't see the other person's responses, though.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like a text message. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, although yeah, because then you could just send it to two people. Yeah, you could probably have a group chat. We're going to exchange each other's numbers. We're going to Marco Polo. We're going to go to your chamber, please.
Speaker 1:Yes, we cannot wait.
Speaker 3:I really want to do a workshop when I say I want you to do a workshop when I say I'm oh shoot, I'm supposed to be emailing somebody about doing a workshop in Tennessee.
Speaker 2:She's got a lot to do. She's a busy gal Girl. We got to get you out of here.
Speaker 1:We have one last question for you. Yeah, okay, anyone who makes it to the end of our episodes, we ask them to leave an emoji somehow related to our episode.
Speaker 3:Do people usually not make it to the end of the episode? I don't know.
Speaker 1:I feel like you know, we don't really know, but that's why we started to ask for emojis. So what?
Speaker 3:emoji would. Lauren. Cat emoji with the heart eyes. Oh perfect, cat emoji with the heart eyes. That was so quick, okay, so on our socials for this episode.
Speaker 1:If you've made it this far in cat emojis, everything because she's amazing, watch her shit.
Speaker 2:Go see her if you can anything else you guys want to add before we close the shop up for the day? I'm just so I still am like starstruck.
Speaker 1:I just we so appreciate that you're here. Even we were dying about, like when we asked you. You're like I would have a year ago.
Speaker 3:I would have months ago oh she got, I know I would have after. Yeah, after you guys met me for the first time, I would have I ago. Oh she got, I know I would have after. Yeah, after you guys met me for the first time, I would have I know, but we were like no, it's okay, that's all right I like that's okay now. I'm like now. I'm like now, I'm like cooler now yeah, well, I thought you were always.
Speaker 2:Oh, it has nothing to do.
Speaker 1:It has to all do with our imposter syndrome at the time when we were pooping our pants that whole first weekend. Okay, well, I'm like cool.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, I've always thought you were cool, I know but like maybe, but now maybe other people will think I'm cool and then they'll like really watch this one.
Speaker 2:Well. I hope that people now think we're cool because you're on our podcast, so we'll be really cool.
Speaker 3:This is the number one podcast.
Speaker 1:I love it so much. We love you. Heard that Lauren endorsed.
Speaker 2:I love you okay, let's you go eat your tacos. We gotta go um. I, I don't have it. I'm speechless, like this was like the most amazing thing that we've done so far and I'm so excited to see you in person. I love you, you're so pretty, thank you, you guys heard it, so no one has to tell me I'm pretty because Lauren already did. I love you, all're so pretty, thank you, you guys heard it, so no one has to tell me I'm pretty because lauren already did. I love you all so much. Lauren loves you, zach loves you. We appreciate you and the most important thing that you can do for us is creep a real yard balls goodbye.
Speaker 1:Thank you At the Arisha and home with the Artballs At the Arisha. The door's always open At the Arisha.
